Lets reflect it how it was, in a neutral position

pro bayern:

undeserved pen in the first leg
2nd goal in the 2nd leg offside
vidal should have been sent off after his tackle at begin of the 2nd half, so the argument on the 2nd yellow is imo invalid
penalty given for robben is arguable (if you give this you can also give the one vs casemiro)

pro real:

2 offside goals given, one was very clear
casemiro not sent off
1 undeserved offside call vs lewa i think

did i forgot something?

Imo real had way more big chances to score, the ball from robben 1 minute before the penalty was the only shot on the goal, if i remember correctly. Imo real was just the little bit better team in the attack. The ref in the 2nd leg was horrible and i can understand that bayern fans are pissed off. As i also can understand that PSG fans are. That leaves a very bitter taste, everytime it happens. And it happens a lot.

Last year, juve has also lost to bayern because of 1-2 strange ref decisions, if you remember. And all i heard was: "dont cry, deseverd loss, mimimi"

Imo thats how football is, in close games, where quality is equal. Either you have luck or not (ball hits the post, injuries, ref decisions, etc.). Look at barca vs chelsea 2009 or at southkorea at the wc 2002. Or the cl final 2012. Luck is a very very very big factor. And yesterday, the luck was on the real side.

juve had one offside call against them if i remember correctly at 1:0 and scored not even 5 minutes later

however last night was a disgrace
our pen was pretty clear even if its robben, casemiro way too late and not comparable to what he tried when he jumped into hummels
vidal had that one scene where the ref let him live

meanwhile casemiro has two fouls on a yellow in the first half, caused the pen, hammered robben and more

this is not proportionate

but its over now, i hope we will be among the last teams to get robbed like this and we can have the damned video ref soon

and obviously we need to sort our own shit out as well and rebuild the team

According to spanish media Vidal, Thiago and Lewandowski rioted at the referee's dressing room after the game which led to kasai calling to Police to protect him
The reports say they yelled at kasai and insulted him.

This post was edited by SubbroT on Apr 19 2017 04:15am

oh dang..

if thats true.....disgraceful behaviour
no matter how much you were robbed you cant do that

Never been more deserved. I'm sure he'll go home and cry into his briefcase of €€€€€.

This post was edited by WNxIrvine on Apr 19 2017 04:23am

https://gfycat.com/DependentSilkyGrasshopper

how to post the gif that its shown direct?

If you go in like this and you have already a yellow and deserved already a second one right after the halftime, how can you complain about the red? This was just fucking dumb by vidal, sorry. And also by ancelotti by not subbing him.

This post was edited by schnoig2 on Apr 19 2017 05:30am

cant see it on phone, is that the actual sending off?
if yes, i have said it before already

a yellow card does not mean you cant make a 100% clean tackle
and i am tired of this "should have been sent off earlier", since when is that an argument to leave the field for nothing

There really can't be different opinions on Real being the better team over the time of both legs. They created more and better chances, their gameplan and execution on the pitch seemed more mature and "better" and they had slightly to majorly better performances on most individual positions when compared.
Therefore, I think anyone saying they went through and eliminated Bayern completely undeserved is just not being honest / objective.

On the other hand, Bayern critics shouldn't deny the fact that being the better team alone doesn't win you games or trophies (several CL games come to mind). Bayern, despite being the worse team for 80-90% of the time, still had a decent chance to turn things around and after Ramos' OG I don't even think it was unlikely they would. 11 vs 11 could have been a totally different game in overtime.

Then again, Bayern also got the chance to decide the first leg when they were awarded a completely undeserved penalty. Vidal took it and unfortunately for Bayern, he simply cracked under the pressure, which (for example) Ronaldo didn't. While Vidal missed, Ronaldo scored a volley with his weak foot... as much as I don't really like him, situations like these show why he is basically his own brand making millions, while Vidal obviously isn't.

Other than that, I think especially the WBs made a huge difference: Not criticizing Lahm for his displays really, as he was often left alone by Robben and had decent games... then again, Marcelo didn't have any support by Ronaldo either, but still managed to properly defend and be a constant offensive threat, going as far as being the reason for Lahm defending 1vs2 most of the time.
Alaba was even worse and he's pretty much only a shadow of his former self... no threatening offensive presence whatsoever and he was getting schooled by any given opponent and especially by Carvajal time after time. Being made a CB after Martinez' red card in the first leg didn't help him either.

Unlike Real, Bayern basically had too many no-shows by players you'd expect to perform way better. Thiago (in general, but also compared to Kroos) was invisible in both legs, making wrong decisions all over the place and basically not doing anything meaningful except for 2 passes. Vidal (for the sake of it compare him to Modric) was basically done after missing the penalty and even though the second yellow card was undeserved when given, he shouldn't have been on the field at that time anyway. Xabi's performance was underwhelming, Kimmich basically ignored all his duties (and commons football sense) when he came on and Müller's displays were crap as well. Especially with Müller I don't understand the Bayern supporters who are constantly demanding him to be a starter. Even though Ancelotti's overall gameplan seemed flawed in the first leg (they basically played like Lewandowski was there, when in fact he wasn't...), there is still much more you could ask of Müller, even when being used out of position. All he showed was a complete lack of physicality & anticipation, paried even with some instances of looking like a 5th league amateur with regards to technique. With most of his usual confidence gone (which partially made him world classs while in form), what kind of positive influence on the game do people really expect from him being used? When he came on in the second leg, he basically wanted to point the way for his team towards a more aggressive, dedicated playstyle, but all he did was to attempt a dumb and useless tackle against Casemiro (who had played 80 minutes more than Müller) instead of going for a sprint duel or just a tactical foul. Half of Ronaldo's first goal is Müller's fault, but people ignore this.

This post was edited by MindlessSpam on Apr 19 2017 05:48am

The gif shows that the tackle wasn't 100% clean. I didnt noticed it yesterday, as i also thought it was a 100% clean tackle. But the gif shows it was not.