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Jun 11 2015 04:47am
Quote (ampoo @ Jun 11 2015 10:21am)
dont need to google it ;)
the further north i came the better it got :D

the big cities however were more like the middle east, full of burkas and potential IS material
in liverpool there were these kid gang shooting incidents at the time......
worst districts in hamburg or berlin look like paradise compared to that xD


In France, the estimated number of Burqa wearers is 2000-3000 (out of 1.5-2m). With our much lower Muslim population, it's probably less than 2000 here. It's just a bit of scaremongering rhetoric.



Quote (WNxIrvine @ Jun 11 2015 10:27am)
You're right it's not. Which is why we need tougher regulations. And the whole if you don't let legals in you'll get more illegals is partially true. But that's what border patrols are for.

In the end result leaving Europe/getting tighter restrictions can only ever be a good thing.


Leaving the EU which is the biggest market for trade in the world so we can stop a few immigrants from coming here? Really? ...

That would be so damaging in economic terms, you'd have so much more red tape and regulation to import and export goods on a large scale, making trade less profitable for us. Politically it would make us seem isolationist and untrustworthy, shunning the rest of Europe. What other large EU country has backed out of the EU? None, and for good reason.

How about reducing the incentive for unskilled immigrants to work here first: ban regular payments to family members abroad, limit benefits, mandatory english language aptitude tests, etc.

The topic of the EU is being used as a scapegoat to justify bad immigration policy that isn't working, and anti-terrorism laws, the latter of which deny basic human rights, so of course the EU won't allow it.

This post was edited by dro94 on Jun 11 2015 04:48am
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In France, the estimated number of Burqa wearers is 2000-3000 (out of 1.5-2m). With our much lower Muslim population, it's probably less than 2000 here. It's just a bit of scaremongering rhetoric.





Leaving the EU which is the biggest market for trade in the world so we can stop a few immigrants from coming here? Really? ...

That would be so damaging in economic terms, you'd have so much more red tape and regulation to import and export goods on a large scale, making trade less profitable for us. Politically it would make us seem isolationist and untrustworthy, shunning the rest of Europe. What other large EU country has backed out of the EU? None, and for good reason.

How about reducing the incentive for unskilled immigrants to work here first: ban regular payments to family members abroad, limit benefits, mandatory english language aptitude tests, etc.

The topic of the EU is being used as a scapegoat to justify bad immigration policy and anti-terrorism laws, the latter of which deny basic human rights, so of course the EU won't allow it.


Dro has well summarised most of my fears and saved me about 10 minutes

Cheers :banana:
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Jun 11 2015 04:50am
Quote (dro94 @ 11 Jun 2015 11:47)
In France, the estimated number of Burqa wearers is 2000-3000 (out of 1.5-2m). With our much lower Muslim population, it's probably less than 2000 here. It's just a bit of scaremongering rhetoric.





Leaving the EU which is the biggest market for trade in the world so we can stop a few immigrants from coming here? Really? ...

That would be so damaging in economic terms, you'd have so much more red tape and regulation to import and export goods on a large scale, making trade less profitable for us. Politically it would make us seem isolationist and untrustworthy, shunning the rest of Europe. What other large EU country has backed out of the EU? None, and for good reason.

How about reducing the incentive for unskilled immigrants to work here first: ban regular payments to family members abroad, limit benefits, mandatory english language aptitude tests, etc.

The topic of the EU is being used as a scapegoat to justify bad immigration policy and anti-terrorism laws, the latter of which deny basic human rights, so of course the EU won't allow it.


ofc the number is low since public burka wearing is forbidden in france and will result in a fine
smartass

rest of your post is reasonable i suppose

This post was edited by ampoo on Jun 11 2015 04:51am
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Quote (ampoo @ 11 Jun 2015 12:31)
fully agreed, we have it pretty rough here with an estimated 98% scum immigrating and crime exploding....
for the g7 meeting there were some small border patrols (that dont exist otherwise anymore :( ) and they got dozends of guys with warrants, tons of drugs and more in a matter of a few hours :lol:

@aswethegods

nobody needs that fucking EU
please leave, maybe it will collapse ^^


:lol:

Your population is like 50% turks bro.

And about "nobody needs that fucking EU". It just proves you know precisely shit about economics.

Tell me, are you oftenly engaging manual labor ?

I could pay you to fetch me a few things.
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ofc the number is low since public burka wearing is forbidden in france and will result in a fine
smartass

rest of your post is reasonable i suppose


Lol, that was the number before the burqa ban :lol: After the ban is 0 probably

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Jun 11 2015 05:27am
Quote (dro94 @ Jun 11 2015 10:47am)
In France, the estimated number of Burqa wearers is 2000-3000 (out of 1.5-2m). With our much lower Muslim population, it's probably less than 2000 here. It's just a bit of scaremongering rhetoric.





Leaving the EU which is the biggest market for trade in the world so we can stop a few immigrants from coming here? Really? ...

That would be so damaging in economic terms, you'd have so much more red tape and regulation to import and export goods on a large scale, making trade less profitable for us. Politically it would make us seem isolationist and untrustworthy, shunning the rest of Europe. What other large EU country has backed out of the EU? None, and for good reason.

How about reducing the incentive for unskilled immigrants to work here first: ban regular payments to family members abroad, limit benefits, mandatory english language aptitude tests, etc.

The topic of the EU is being used as a scapegoat to justify bad immigration policy that isn't working, and anti-terrorism laws, the latter of which deny basic human rights, so of course the EU won't allow it.


A lot of our trading is done outside of the EU anyway. At least in engineering. And trade agreements could still be made but we'd have more say in it.

I'm not saying it wouldn't negatively effect the economy at all. I'm just saying that overall the benefits could outweigh the negatives.
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Jun 11 2015 05:39am
Quote (ampoo @ Jun 11 2015 11:16am)
when i was on my way through england when i traveled to scotland i had a feeling that your immigration was pretty much outta control, even worse than here....



why not?


I feel like they want to make too many weird changes, we should just put a bussines man upfront who can think straight and not produce stupid ideas.
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Jun 11 2015 05:49am
Quote (Mr_Mill @ 11 Jun 2015 12:39)
I feel like they want to make too many weird changes, we should just put a bussines man upfront who can think straight and not produce stupid ideas.


valid point, but i just fear that another business guy up there will make it all about the money again
thats why i think a former footballer who cares about the game and supported by experts is better
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Quote (ampoo @ Jun 11 2015 12:49pm)
valid point, but i just fear that another business guy up there will make it all about the money again
thats why i think a former footballer who cares about the game and supported by experts is better


I would much rather have one top bussinesman on the chair, and have 10 ex-footballers to give him advice. In the end the bussinesman knows best how to yield a company.
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Jun 11 2015 06:09am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ Jun 11 2015 11:27am)
A lot of our trading is done outside of the EU anyway. At least in engineering. And trade agreements could still be made but we'd have more say in it.

I'm not saying it wouldn't negatively effect the economy at all. I'm just saying that overall the benefits could outweigh the negatives.


Describe the overall benefits that could possibly outweigh a hugely negative effect on the economy? 57% of our exports are to countries in the EU, and 55% of our imports are too. If there was even a slightly higher cost (in money, time or otherwise) in trade or through making trade agreements then it would have a massive impact, considering the scale of goods traded in the EU market.

France, Germany and other leading EU nations would never allow Britain a "pick and mix" approach to trade agreements, and we'd have no say in the new EU regulations that we would have to abide by through trading with EU countries.
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