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Nov 30 2016 06:23am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ Nov 30 2016 07:29am)
I understand the "concepts" completely, but in the end it comes down to your brain going "Oooh money money money is good money is life" while my brain says people are exploiting a tragedy for personal gain.

Why do you think EA decided to give everyone a badge? Imo, it was to stop those of dodgy morals from continuing to exploit this tragedy.


Nice imagination.

You've shown no inkling that you understand the beginning of what i've said, let along 'completely' understanding those concepts, Even challenging and mocking the fact that people are providing a service on the grounds that they are profiting. As if the two are incompatible..
You instead fall back on emotion and character assassination garbage with the usual 'profits over people' tired slogan and baseless accusations.

I challenge you to think critically and provide an actual argument in rebuttal to what was said.
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Nice imagination.

You've shown no inkling that you understand the beginning of what i've said, let along 'completely' understanding those concepts, Even challenging and mocking the fact that people are providing a service on the grounds that they are profiting. As if the two are incompatible..
You instead fall back on emotion and character assassination garbage with the usual 'profits over people' tired slogan and baseless accusations.

I challenge you to think critically and provide an actual argument in rebuttal to what was said.


And again, I'll ask, why do you think EA decided to give the badges away for free, instead of selling them for profit. Keep in mind, they are first and foremost a profit seeking company.
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Nov 30 2016 06:42am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ Nov 30 2016 04:45am)
Screw morals when money can be made.

Practically the murican motto. :rolleyes:


Oh quit generalizing. You are better than that.
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Nov 30 2016 06:48am
Cambovenzi, you are comparing several situations as if they are equivalent, because you fail to see how the impact of morals factor in the equation (or maybe you are just dismissing them, which would be even sadder).

If Urawa Red Diamonds, Auckland City or Jeonbuk HM (all of which have badges in FIFA 17), reach the FIFA CWC final and rape Madrid 5-0, and everyone suddenly jumps on the wagon and wants to buy their badges for shits and giggles, then the price will rise and it will be natural for the owners of these badges to take advantage of the hype and make the most profit possible. But this is different. They are taking advantage of a tragedy that cost dozens of lives. It's not illegal, but it's morally wrong, and any normal human being can tell the difference...

This isn't someone buying Oblaks for 10k and selling them with a minimum price of 15k. This is someone buying Oblaks for 10k and then, if he dies, selling them for a minimum price of 99k.
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Nov 30 2016 07:03am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ Nov 30 2016 08:25am)
And again, I'll ask, why do you think EA decided to give the badges away for free, instead of selling them for profit. Keep in mind, they are first and foremost a profit seeking company.


I already commented on that very thing.
In a video game they have the power to turn finite in-game resources into infinite ones, and stop the complaining of the emotional economic illiterates in one fell swoop.
I even said it was a good move. The demand for the badges exceeded what was previously available in the game, and its a nice touch to make them available to everyone.
In real life there is no magical button, nor were the goods in question non-scarce prior to their move.

again ill ask, read and respond to my actual points instead of pretending you understand it all and smearing me.


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Cambovenzi, you are comparing several situations as if they are equivalent, because you fail to see how the impact of morals factor in the equation (or maybe you are just dismissing them, which would be even sadder).

If Urawa Red Diamonds, Auckland City or Jeonbuk HM (all of which have badges in FIFA 17), reach the FIFA CWC final and rape Madrid 5-0, and everyone suddenly jumps on the wagon and wants to buy their badges for shits and giggles, then the price will rise and it will be natural for the owners of these badges to take advantage of the hype and make the most profit possible. But this is different. They are taking advantage of a tragedy that cost dozens of lives. It's not illegal, but it's morally wrong, and any normal human being can tell the difference...

This isn't someone buying Oblaks for 10k and selling them with a minimum price of 15k. This is someone buying Oblaks for 10k and then, if he dies, selling them for a minimum price of 99k.


You start from the position that its morally wrong to make a few coins in a video game selling badges to people who want them and then carry on about it being morally wrong as if you've proved your point.. you haven't.
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Nov 30 2016 07:14am
What do you imagine typically happens to the price and demand of a famous athlete's autograph or worn jersey after they die? It goes up, sometimes skyrocketing.
Are sellers immoral scoundrels? or is it OK for them to make a profit while filling the demands of people who want those products more than what they are willing to give up for them?
In these instances we could be dealing in hundreds or thousands of dollars, instead of a few cents in a videogame. (which btw makes your position pretty petty)

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I already commented on that very thing.
In a video game they have the power to turn finite in-game resources into infinite ones, and stop the complaining of the emotional economic illiterates in one fell swoop.
I even said it was a good move. The demand for the badges exceeded what was previously available in the game, and its a nice touch to make them available to everyone.
In real life there is no magical button, nor were the goods in question non-scarce prior to their move.

again ill ask, read and respond to my actual points instead of pretending you understand it all and smearing me.



So you think EA agreed with the "emotional economic illiterates" enough to outweigh their want of profit?

So.... You're saying morals > profit? It's magical! I think he finally gets it! They could have made them available to all by putting them in a paid for pack, but didn't, because... And I pray you are still following me here, IT'S MORALLY WRONG. :wallbash:

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Nov 30 2016 07:19am
This thread got real fucking stupid, real fucking quick :lol:
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So you think EA agreed with the "emotional economic illiterates" enough to outweigh their want of profit?

So.... You're saying morals > profit? It's magical! I think he finally gets it! They could have made them available to all by putting them in a paid for pack, but didn't, because... And I pray you are still following me here, IT'S MORALLY WRONG. :wallbash:

Good ignore my arguments and make up your own in their place and knock down that strawman of me somehow being profits over morals to pat yourself on the back with vigor and a false sense of accomplishment.. Fitting.
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Good ignore my arguments and make up your own in their place and knock down that strawman of me somehow being profits over morals to pat yourself on the back with vigor and a false sense of accomplishment.. Fitting.


When you can give an argument about why EA would give them away for free instead of charging for them like a good profit seeking company should then I'll listen to your morally gray nonsense.

Until then it's all just economics say it's okay to use a tragedy to make profit. :rolleyes:
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