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Sep 29 2015 02:56pm
Quote (B4al @ Sep 29 2015 04:54pm)
Manchester had the likes of van der saar, scholes, giggs and a raping vidic, arguably world's best at that time with an excellent pairing in Ferdinand. Evra...
Now they got smalling, valencia and dapey. Figure it out.

Chelsea was luck in bothe semifinals and final. The chances barca wasted in england are epic.



XD
Must of made up for the game in 08 then. But chelsea was the best team that year no doubt,
And they were the best when they won it too.

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Sep 29 2015 02:59pm
2008-2009 UCL semis had 3/4 english teams iirc
Majority of the top caliber talent has shifted to Spain, Germany now
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Sep 29 2015 03:02pm
Quote (chelsea11 @ 29 Sep 2015 21:56)
XD
Must of made up for the game in 08 then. But chelsea was the best team that year no doubt,
And they were the best when they won it too.


you single-handedly take the word "deluded" to the next level...

dunno, maybe that's something to celebrate - at least one thing you're good at i guess...
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Sep 29 2015 03:06pm
I¡ll stand by what I said in the other thread a few weeks ago:

Quote (zarkadon @ 18 Sep 2015 15:42)
The problem is english clubs spend the money on overrated mediocrity, or just big names and statistics rather than on what the team needs. More money won't change that. You need to change the way the clubs are structured and their policies.

A few days ago Monchi (Sevilla's director of football, and widely considered as the best in Spain) gave a very long interview where he talked about a lot of interesting stuff (I'd post a link but it's in spanish).

One of the things he talked about was about english clubs. He spent a year in England learning the language, but he also took the time to learn about how english clubs were organized and how they worked in terms of scouting, making transfers, etc.

He said that english clubs had the best scouting system, with lots of money invested in the best technology to provide scouts with every single statistic possible. The problem is, according to him, that the reports scouts make are completely ignored by the people who make decisions in the club. They just make their report and send them to their boss, who then filters the reports and sends a couple of them to the group of people who decide on transfers. Then those people normally ignore the reports because it comes down to "should we sign this random latvian playing in switzerland that our scouts recommend, or this french guy that plays in Ligue 1 whos agent says is available... well Ligue 1 is better the swiss league, the french are better than the latvians, and that I talk to the french player's agent all the time so I know I can trust him".

There is no proper communication between scouts and the people who make decisions. People that run english clubs often barely know their scouts personally. In Sevilla the director of football constantly has meetings with the club's scouts; he travels to where they are andspends many hours watching the players that have received positive reports. The scouts even attend the meeting where the club's board decides on transfers, so they have a say when the decisions are made, and they also know what other scouts are after so they can even look for players that synergize with potential transfer targets.

He says that in 15 years as director of football, he has only signed one player he didn't know anything about (Dragutinovic, because they needed a replacement for Ramos in deadline day, and Madrid's director of football recommended the player during the Ramos deal talks). Meanwhile in England, this happens all the time. People that make decisions sign players they know nothing about and don't know if they are going to adapt to the manager/system/team/club/country.

You end up having a team full of flashy players, but they get destroyed by the weaker-yet-much-more-efficiently-built squads you find in other leagues.

English clubs don't need to spend more, but rather to change the way they are structured in order to improve communication and synergy between scouts and between scouts and the people who decide on transfers.


tl;dr:
Because clubs mindlessly spend on individual flashy players, rather than on building a team. They buy what football agents tell them to buy rather than what their scouts say. Plus their scouts don't communicate with each other, so they each recommend their own individual players, which might not have chemistry between them. Use money wisely (like foreign clubs have to do due to their limited resources), and things will work out much better.
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Sep 29 2015 03:08pm
Quote (Depay @ 29 Sep 2015 22:49)
i dont understand why is this happening. 4 years ago United was in the final, the year after Chelsea won it and after that it all fell apart. EPL teams have so much money and obviously have world class players but i dont know..


a lot of english teams were at their peak 4 years ago and lost important players afterwards.

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Sep 29 2015 03:23pm
Quote (Speckham23 @ 29 Sep 2015 22:08)
a lot of english teams were at their peak 4 years ago and lost important players afterwards.


i think the only team that's really true for is united (although it seems like they're well on their way back) and to some degree liverpool.

for all the other teams i'd go with zark's theory / analysis. i mean, ofc some of them have lost important players (to age or other premier league clubs) but on the other hand they had plenty of money to buy quality players, which they did. and considering the names they have in their squads, they should outperform all other leagues with relative east...
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Sep 29 2015 03:38pm
joke league :rofl:

arsenal :rofl:
chelsea :rofl:
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Sep 29 2015 03:59pm
Quote (captaineve1 @ Sep 29 2015 10:38pm)
joke league :rofl:

arsenal :rofl:
chelsea :rofl:


But you live in a joke of a country lad

and have a joke league

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Sep 30 2015 12:15am
its like a disease. shitty started it. now everyones getting it. on current form and fortunes, united should be the most eligible club to stop this rot.
but i wouldnt be surprised if all 4 english teams manage to get thru to last 16. :rolleyes:
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Sep 30 2015 12:17am
Quote (ChaoCheeBye @ Sep 30 2015 06:15am)
its like a disease. shitty started it. now everyones getting it. on current form and fortunes, united should be the most eligible club to stop this rot.
but i wouldnt be surprised if all 4 english teams manage to get thru to last 16. :rolleyes:


Arsenal have to beat bayern at least once and I'm really not sure they can. City have a tough group anyways so again, they need performances.

If 2 out of the 4 make it through I would be pretty surprised tbh.
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