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Quote (Mr_Mill @ 6 May 2015 22:00)
I wonder how everyone would think if argentina would have won the WC tbh


assuming they watched the games, they would still think his performances at the wc were overrated and he wasn't the leader maradona was who literally made the whole team a level better...
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Quote (Mr_Mill @ 6 May 2015 23:00)
I wonder how everyone would think if argentina would have won the WC tbh


For me it's more about how Maradona carried a mediocre lot both at club and national level to glory rather than about winning the WC or not.

Di Stefano didn't even play a single WC (due to a series of very unlucky circumstances), and he's considered among the best. When Messi retires he might be comparable to him or Cruyff or Zidane, but his inability to carry the guys he plays with in the national team stops him from being better than Maradona.

And the way Maradona led a very mediocre side to 2 scudetti when Serie A was by far the best league in the world is imo a decisive factor that will be very hard for Messi to compensate with something else.
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Quote (fender @ May 6 2015 10:02pm)
assuming they watched the games, they would still think his performances at the wc were overrated and he wasn't the leader maradona was who literally made the whole team a level better...


Seeing as he got the player of the tournament award most of the fanboys would be entertainend...

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For me it's more about how Maradona carried a mediocre lot both at club and national level to glory rather than about winning the WC or not.

Di Stefano didn't even play a single WC (due to a series of very unlucky circumstances), and he's considered among the best. When Messi retires he might be comparable to him or Cruyff or Zidane, but his inability to carry the guys he plays with in the national team stops him from being better than Maradona.

And the way Maradona led a very mediocre side to 2 scudetti when Serie A was by far the best league in the world is imo a decisive factor that will be very hard for Messi to compensate with something else.


Very true, however there are a lot of journalists who sadly don't think that same way, the ones who get to make votes..
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Quote (ampoo @ May 6 2015 01:45pm)
easily so
this cl round showed again what a joke ronaldo is compared to messi



No one is comparing them but you, you cannot put your hatred aside for any post
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For me it's more about how Maradona carried a mediocre lot both at club and national level to glory rather than about winning the WC or not.

Di Stefano didn't even play a single WC (due to a series of very unlucky circumstances), and he's considered among the best. When Messi retires he might be comparable to him or Cruyff or Zidane, but his inability to carry the guys he plays with in the national team stops him from being better than Maradona.

And the way Maradona led a very mediocre side to 2 scudetti when Serie A was by far the best league in the world is imo a decisive factor that will be very hard for Messi to compensate with something else.


Compare pound for pound teams facing maradona with germany lineup.

World's best cbs, keeper, midfielders. + lahm.

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MESSI in European games: - 100 appearances - 78 goals - 24 assists

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Quote (B4al @ 6 May 2015 23:16)
Compare pound for pound teams facing maradona with germany lineup.

World's best cbs, keeper, midfielders. + lahm.


He faced plenty of great teams. That Germany was really good and he also faced England and Italy, two teams consisting of players that dominated european club football in the 80s. Uruguay and Belgium weren't bad either.

I don't see how that was any easier than Iran, Nigeria, Bosnia, Switzerland and Belgium (the only teams Messi managed to score against).

But, most importantly, look at the teams he faced in Serie A. Trapattoni's Juve that won every single european trophy, Sacchi's Milan which dominated the CL and reinvented football, that Roma led by Conti that had played the CL final only a couple of years ago, that Sampdoria that would play it in 92... Napoli had a worse side than all of these teams, and they still managed to win 2 scudetti and an EL.
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Quote (zarkadon @ May 6 2015 10:34pm)
He faced plenty of great teams. That Germany was really good and he also faced England and Italy, two teams consisting of players that dominated european club football in the 80s. Uruguay andBelgium weren't bad either.

I don't see how that was any easier than Iran, Nigeria, Bosnia, Switzerland and Belgium (the only teams Messi managed to score against).

But, most importantly, look at the teams he faced in Serie A. Trapattoni's Juve that won every single european trophy, Sacchi's Milan which dominated the CL and reinvented football, that Roma led by Conti that had played the CL final only a couple of years ago, that Sampdoria that would play it in 92... Napoli had a worse side than all of these teams, and they still managed to win 2 scudetti and an EL.


I'll take that shout B)

e: and he didn't score vs belgium btw, was Higuain

This post was edited by Mr_Mill on May 6 2015 03:36pm
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