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Jun 3 2015 06:07pm
Not sure if others would be interested but I was pretty surprised at some of the numbers, honestly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32931345

Key points:

EPL:

A new report from analysts Deloitte says combined revenues soared by 29% to £3.26bn, and the league made pre-tax profits of £187m, its first since 1999.

Scotland (shooting themselves in the foot)

In Scotland, in its first season as the Scottish Premiership, Deloitte said Scotland's top tier of football suffered an £11m (8%) fall in total revenues, largely attributable to Celtic's £11m drop in total revenue due to relatively poorer performances in cup competitions.

Spain:

In Spain's La Liga clubs collectively grew revenue by 3%. However all this growth was driven by the two Madrid clubs, Real and Atletico - who contested the 2014 Champions League final. The other 18 clubs in the division saw aggregate revenues fall.

Italy:

In Italy, there was only a marginal 1% increase in total revenue for clubs in the top league. Deloitte said that Juventus again demonstrated the commercial benefit - which other Serie A clubs could copy - of investing in, and improving, match-day facilities.

Germany:

Germany's Bundesliga saw its revenues rise by 13%, consolidating second place in the big five leagues, driven by a new set of domestic broadcast rights.

Frenchies:

Total Ligue 1 revenues in France grew by 15%, led by a €75m revenue growth at Paris Saint Germain.

Europe overall:

Looking more broadly at the "Big Five" European leagues - across England, Germany, Italy, France and Spain combined revenues grew 15% to €11.3bn.
That helped drive the overall size of the European football market to more than €20bn.

How the hell are the Italians only 1% up with how well they have done in the CL and EL this year? :wacko:

Nice to see Celtic flapping after having rangers crucified too. Literal definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. -_-

Edit: layout looks like shit but it's late and I cba. Sorry

This post was edited by WNxIrvine on Jun 3 2015 06:08pm
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Jun 4 2015 12:44am
italian league is broke and i recently heard that they have a new all time high in terms of debts

they are doing much better this season but arent exactly healthy financially

bundesliga 13% hell yeah B)
getting bettter and better
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Jun 4 2015 01:34am
Quote (ampoo @ 4 Jun 2015 08:44)
italian league is broke and i recently heard that they have a new all time high in terms of debts

they are doing much better this season but arent exactly healthy financially

bundesliga 13% hell yeah B)
getting bettter and better


Actually wrong.

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For the 2010–11 and 2011–12 seasons, Serie A clubs negotiating club TV rights collectively rather than individually for the first time since 1998–99. The domestic rights for those two seasons were sold for €1.149bn to Sky Italia.[21]


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The proposed 943 million euros a season deal with Sky Italia and Mediaset (an increase of over 100 million euros compared to the last three years) from 2015 to 2021 allows the clubs to prepare better in the transfer market or holding on to their prized assets. Once the highlights and international broadcast packages are sold then more than one billion euros are expected to be distributed among the clubs. Since the television deals serve the league collectively, hence this is one deal which suits the entire division and not just one or two clubs. But it is essential to increase the revenues from stadium receipts as well.​


New tv deal arriving apparently

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The new deal will start next season and give the league €186 million per season, an increase of €69 million per season over the last three years with MP & Silva. League supporters are calling this a huge win for the league and a massive financial boost


So 1,1 bn a season for the tv deal

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The Lega Serie A divides the revenue, with 40 per cent shared equally among all 20 clubs,
30 per cent based on clubs' appeal
and a further 30 per cent on the position in the previous season,
the previous five years and historic classifications.


http://www.espnfc.com/italian-serie-a/story/1916857/serie-a-clubs-agree-new-tv-rights-deal
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Quote (B4al @ 4 Jun 2015 08:34)
Actually wrong.





New tv deal arriving apparently



So 1,1 bn a season for the tv deal



http://www.espnfc.com/italian-serie-a/story/1916857/serie-a-clubs-agree-new-tv-rights-deal


if i werent posting on my phone right now i would give you the article saying that serie a breached the 2 billion debt mark quite easily with around 150-200mio losses at the clubs this year

new tv deal can help with that, true

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Quote (ampoo @ 4 Jun 2015 09:40)
if i werent posting on my phone right now i would give you the article saying that serie a breached the 2 billion debt mark quite easily with around 150-200mio losses at the clubs this year

new tv deal can help with that, true


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Serie A club debt rose to 1.7 billion euros, report says

The overall debt of clubs in Serie A last season rose to over 1.7 billion euros with the situation at Parma symptomatic of a league in general financial difficulty.


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Over the past five years, overall debt has risen by 27 percent with the greatest sources of money now television revenue and trading on the transfer market. Income from matchday operations and marketing, on the other hand, is stagnating, if not regressing in certain cases.

Even Juventus -- owners of their own stadium, unlike the other clubs in Serie A -- are posting continued losses. The Bianconeri have been able to reduce their losses from 95.4 million euros in 2010 to just 6.7 million last year, while it is hoped the increased income from being the sole Italian club to reach the knockout stages of the Champions League will enable them to come out of the red in 2014-15.

Napoli buck the trend having made profits for eight years in a row under president Aurelio De Laurentiis, thanks to the money they earned from the Champions League last season and the sale of Edinson Cavani to Paris Saint-Germain.

Cuts in wages at Lazio helped them post a profit last season, thanks also to the sale of Hernanes to Inter Milan and income from the Europa League. Including that transfer, Inter reported the biggest loss of all clubs last season with over 100 million euros, which new president Erick Thohir hopes to wipe out over five years.


Juve had a loss for building a new stadium = right thing to do to attract more fans and attract more income through either merchandising, tickets, boosting their international profile.

It isnt that bad for Italy, they are easily getting right back there.

Increase in tv deal, the debt increasing is not 100% a bad thing, as it was seen through Shitty & Cheslki who had huge debts before raking in massive incomes.

For instance : i would prefere to opperate my club madrid/barca style having huge debts covered by loans with low % rates and offering top players top wages than managing a team the bayern way, keeping the wages "decent" while massing huge profits to pay 50% tax later :D



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Juve had a loss for building a new stadium = right thing to do to attract more fans and attract more income through either merchandising, tickets, boosting their international profile.

It isnt that bad for Italy, they are easily getting right back there.

Increase in tv deal, the debt increasing is not 100% a bad thing, as it was seen through Shitty & Cheslki who had huge debts before raking in massive incomes.


Yeah the article I posted mentioned that other Italian teams should follow Juventus's lead and take short term losses for long term gains. Sounds a bit like what arsenal did with their stadium.
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Juve had a loss for building a new stadium = right thing to do to attract more fans and attract more income through either merchandising, tickets, boosting their international profile.

It isnt that bad for Italy, they are easily getting right back there.

Increase in tv deal, the debt increasing is not 100% a bad thing, as it was seen through Shitty & Cheslki who had huge debts before raking in massive incomes.

For instance : i would prefere to opperate my club madrid/barca style having huge debts covered by loans with low % rates and offering top players top wages than managing a team the bayern way, keeping the wages "decent" while massing huge profits to pay 50% tax later :D


so you would rather have debts and be slave of the banks :lol:
rates wont always stay that way, a lot can happen

bayern is the richest club, zero debt and around 400mio of actual free money

sooner or later the spanish debt clubs will have problems
and lets not forget that the spanish state plays a vital role there too

short term investments are ofc good as said, new stadium etc
nobody can pay those out of the pocket

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so you would rather have debts and be slave of the banks :lol:
rates wont always stay that way, a lot can happen

bayern is the richest club, zero debt and around 400mio of actual free money

sooner or later the spanish debt clubs will have problems
and lets not forget that the spanish state plays a vital role there too

short term investments are ofc good as said, new stadium etc
nobody can pay those out of the pocket


bayern could literally build a new second allianz arena out of their pocket currently :lol:
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bayern could literally build a new second allianz arena out of their pocket currently :lol:


right now yes :D
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Jun 4 2015 02:21am
Quote (ampoo @ 4 Jun 2015 10:02)
so you would rather have debts and be slave of the banks :lol:
rates wont always stay that way, a lot can happen

bayern is the richest club, zero debt and around 400mio of actual free money

sooner or later the spanish debt clubs will have problems
and lets not forget that the spanish state plays a vital role there too

short term investments are ofc good as said, new stadium etc
nobody can pay those out of the pocket


I would rather increase the spending of my firm than pay taxes. Buying any shit i need or don't need, those are all assets of the firm which drives its value higher, goal should be to put my profit towards 0%.

If i were to pick between bayern or barca way of managing, i would most def chose barca. Their debt are currently reduced, but as soon as they hit 0 they`ll sink into 4-500 debt again by building a new stadium. Having debt is not "shameful" but the smart way of growing. Nothing wrong with it as long as you can easily service it.

I remember me saying on here when abramovich took over 2 things : 1 that his spending is overall a smart move and that he is laundering money through chelski. Both are true today. He took a meh club to being one of the most recognized international brand within 10 years and that, regardless of the spending is a success story.
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