yea i know our division is getting tougher. looks like AFC and NFC west are best divisions right now. yea i agree with chiefs overrated, i think chargers are a bit too but hey, they all 3 made the playoffs for a reason wether it was luck and/or they got help from other teams ect. they all 3 made it and we didnt once again so cant take too much away from that. they got it done.

I agree, not necessarily because I'm sold on our QBs, but because I don't want another hybrid scrambling guy. I want a pocket passer.



If we see improvement, there is literally no reason not to keep the coaches. I've said this a few times, but even if we go 4-12 but we go a competitive 4-12 (not getting blown out every game of teh 2nd half of the season, for example), I'd keep the coaches. There is a LOT to be said for stability.



Chargers and Chiefs might not come back as strong but they will still be good. Chargers were good bc Rivers had a career year. Chiefs built something that will last and do well and compete for a playoff spot. Chiefs were GOOD last season and only figure to get better. They might actually become a great team this season...only thing keeping them from that title last year was the fact that they didn't win against big name teams.



Lots of divisions are looking strong now. AFC East looks weak, AFC South looks weak, AFC North looks meh, depends on how the Ravens/Steelers return, and it could go either way with them. But NFC is starting to get scary. Saints Panthers and Falcons finna go ham, NFC West is boss as fuck atm, and the North/East both look poised to do well, what with Rodgers probably not being hurt, Lions still having a strong team, Cutler not getting hurt...Eagles having Foles all season, Eli bouncing back, RG3 recovered from his knee, and the Cowboys with their consistently good play. I think the NFC is going to have the most competition and the strongest playoff teams (on average) next season...but I think the AFC will still have the best top 1-2 teams. Likely the Pats and Broncos again, they're still set for a year or two, and Peyton isn't retiring without a 2nd ring.

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well idk about being a competitive 4-12 team, theres really no such thing. you lost a lot more games than you won but you were a good 4-12 team? we cant keep having 4-12 seasons and not make some changes around here. if that happens that means 3x 4-12 seasons in a row, something has to change. 3 years ago we had a good coach that the players liked and responded well to and were so close to making the playoffs. Now if we go 4-12 3 years in a row with the same GM and coaches its time to start over again. this is year 3 and we need to start seeing some results.

7-9 or better

my thoughts exactly. we have a hard schedule but we need to be able to improve and compete and beat some good teams so we arent a joke of a team anymore like we have been for so long.

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The Lions, when they went 0-16, were a competitive more team than the Raiders that year (or this year). Most of the games they lost were actually quite close.

but they still couldnt even win 1 game. competitive or not they still sucked lol. so you think winning 0 games is still better than winning 5 games just because they had some close games? they both are terrible records but how can you make that argument? im not buyin it

i just looked up all the games from the 2008 season and 8 games that year they lost by 13 pts or more. the raiders 5 games. they both sucked but they werent better than the raiders or more competitive.

During that season almost every power poll I read in SI or Sporting News had the Lions above the Raiders. At the end of that season, there was talk of the NFL repossessing the Raiders franchise because of how bad it had gotten--no talk of action against the Lions, though. They had a historically bad season and yet they had a lot of things to look up about, namely a strong offensive unit. This season we were without a doubt WORSE than that Lions team, yet we won more games. Win/loss is not as useful a metric as you would think...the Dolphins weren't a very good team down the stretch this year, but they posted the same record as the Steelers, who were a stronger team, and the Ravens, who were a stronger team. The Redskins tanked pretty hard this season, but there's very little question that they were a stronger team than us, especially in the second half of the season. Yet there they are with a worse win-loss than us.

When you're looking at a team that's on the edge between bad and good, you can start talking about a win/loss record. We're a team that's struggling to get first downs most games. We're a team that allowed the opposition to sit their starting QB--twice. Win-loss is not a metric we should be considering for this next season. We should be looking at simply whether or not we see significant improvement in our offensive and defensive production. We're literally that far behind at this point. We don't have a sure-fire starting QB, we don't have any good WRs, our O-line is trash. We have a secondary that covers like a string bikini and a tragic special teams situation. Probably going to loose Janikowski, King has a big leg but no control, and we have no return game. We have 3 spots where I can say we field players that would start on several different teams. DL, LB, RB.

Demanding to approach a .500 win/loss with the players we have is simply ludicrous. A better goal might be to lose no games by 20 or more points, because we got embarrassed by that margin 3 times last season. A better goal might be to score every quarter in half of our games, or to score in more than one quarter every game--we only put up consistent points in 3 of our games (the terrible Jags, the terrible Titans, and the terrible Chargers defense) and got blanked for 3 quarters as many times. We're in a bad spot. Hoping for .500 next season is just unreasonable, especially given our division. Setting impossible goals and then being mad when we don't reach them is part of the reason we're in this mess...the revolving QB/Coaching door for so many seasons has put us further behind than almost any team in the NFL. At this point what I want to see from the team is steady improvement. Even small improvement is better than the "bring in a new coach and burn down the previous roster" approach we've had for so many season. Give us 3 seasons where we make consistent improvements, even TINY ones, and we're a wildcard team. Do I think this coaching staff is great? No. Our playcalling is abysmal. But you'll never win if you never have consistency of thought. You need one man with one plan for several seasons to achieve anything, and frankly with how bad our team was two seasons ago, three seasons is just not enough time to make a serious turnaround.

It's this "win now or fire" mentality that has kept us in the shitter for 11 seasons. It's the same reason a lot of other teams have bad stretches. Even if our current situation isn't the best approach, if we just have some consistency we can get our team to a spot where a coaching change will actually do us good. If we can build a team that can reach 8-8 over the next 3 seasons, then we can start looking at bringing in someone new so they'll at least have SOMETHING to work with. Because right now, pickings are slim, and having unrealistic expectations won't help us get where we all agree we want to be--winning and in the playoffs.