o i by all means am not for any type of quick fix bs. fuck that long run ftw but if he cant continue to do more the he by all means needs to go. 8-8 or 7-9 isnt a big stretch imo. if he cant get it done then we need to look elsewhere


and bro ive followed the raiders my whole life. all 27 years of it. my whole fam is silver is black. ive been through the ups and downs. ups with ganon/brown/rice/porter/wheatley/garner/crockett and the woodsons on def all up till that fucking bucs sb and the 2 playoffs prior with brady and the tuck rule and sargusso and his fat ass breaking gannons ribs for hoying to come in and shit the bed. i as much as anyone wanna see oakland return to the glory they once had but u gotta call a spade a spade and if allen doesnt step it up next year hes gotta go. yea it sucks cuz one of the main issues this last 11 years has been the constant coach changes but we cant stick with shit just to stick with it. for now hes not doing too bad with what hes got but from my opinion with free agency and what not and the talent we do seem to have 7-9 at a minimum isnt not a far stretch at all


and as far as draft goes from what ive been seing it looks like we might try and grab manziel. i havent watched much college ball this year so i dont now if hes worth his hype or not but tbh i dont wanna see us go the qb route....at all. we have way bigger holes that need filling

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We might scrape a game off the Chiefs and Chargers, Bills, Jets, Browns, Rams, and Dolphins are all certainly winnable. Cardinals are out of our league, and if the Texans address the QB issue in the draft (which they realistically should), I think they'll be competing for a playoff spot. Realistically, we won't take a game off the Chargers AND Chiefs unless one of those teams takes a huge step back. Realistically, a win against the Cardinals and Texans is unlikely. I'd be pretty pleased with 6-10 or 7-9 because we don't have the easiest schedule (mostly due to the division we're in; our non-divisional games are actually cake).



8-8 is a huge stretch from where we were at the end of last season.

7-9 is lowest ill go

If we go 0-16 but look good while doing it I'd be in favor of keeping him. Win/loss at this point is a useless benchmark because of how terrible we've been and how good the competition has been. Make no mistake--through the last 8 games of the season, we were the worst team in the NFL by far. It is unrealistic to expect to jump 16 teams in a single off-season.

Be honest with yourself--how many units can we say we've figured out for the next 3 season (besides K/P)? I'd say 3--TE, RB and FB. We have nobody at WR, QBs are still a mess, line is terrible...and on the flip side, we have no CBs, Woodson is retiring soon and Branch is returning from a season-long injury, LBs are decent but struggle in coverage, and our line is good enough but not great. DTs are okay but we really only have one DE. With this many problems, I don't view 8-8 as a reasonable goal. How about not giving up 4 passing touchdowns a game? How about consistently putting up 20 points? We looked like a college team out there last season. Before we start even talking about winning games we need to talk about PLAYING games, 'cuz for at least half of last season we weren't even doing that.

Allen hasn't done a great job, but he's at least made some moves. Our WRs look better than they did 1-3 years ago. LBs are the strongest they've been in that time frame. FB/TE/RB have all stayed the same or improved, and we have young QBs that have shown flashes of potential. We lost Lechler, the GOAT punter, and got King, who kicks the ball even further. Our O-line is shit, but it's been shit for a long time. Our CBs are shit, but they've been shit since Asomugha left.

If Allen can take two units and improve them significantly by the end of next season I'd consider that a win. We're slated to struggle for several more seasons no matter who our coach is--that's just the shit position we've dug ourselves into as an organization. Take someone that can draft well and ride them for a few years to get the pieces in place.

ya i just want to reevaluate everything after draft. To see if we improved or not. I mean my heart says they should win 6+ games... Ofc if they lose more games due to close games as long as they had a chance and are not blow outs then ofc id be happy...

I'll agree with that. I'll accept a loss if we make a hard fought loss. But these blow outs and games we aren't even competitive in is enough.

or go 0-16 for 3 years to get #1 draft players lol

fuk that

That's what I want to see out of our team this season. Forget win/loss for now--I want to see us contend for almost every game--I understand that we'll probably get torched by Manning, Brady, and possibly one or two of the other games. But 7 touchdowns is disgusting. That can't happen week in and week out of Allen wants to keep his job.



Yup. I can promise that I'll have new things to say about Allen after the draft, after the pre-season, and then after the first 2-4 weeks of next season.

Raiders sign three more to future contracts

ALAMEDA, Calif. -- The Oakland Raiders announced the signing of three more players to Reserve/Future contracts on Monday afternoon.

They are: linebacker Frank Beltre, center Jarrod Shaw and cornerback Neiko Thorpe, who appeared in nine games with the Kansas City Chiefs in 2012.

The trio joins 10 other players earlier signed to such contracts in quarterback Trent Edwards, defensive tackles David Carter and Torell Troup, cornerback Johnny Adams, offensive lineman Jack Cornell, receiver Jared Green, linebackers Eric Harper and Justin Cole, tight end Brian Leonhardt and defensive end Chris McCoy.