I would agree. If we can reach .500 I'd be quite happy. Haven't taken an in-depth look at the schedule yet.

Imo if Allen doesn't get us to 8-8 this year, bye bye.

That's a pretty tall order considering we're in the second hardest division in the NFL.

I'm tired of Allen. Gotta get results. Can't do this rebuilding at a snail's pace. 3 years is too long to let a guy stay on board if he has all losing seasons...

I'd disagree. Snail's pace is better than moving backwards. As long as I'm seeing progress towards a playoff-ready team I'm sticking with a coach because that means he understands how to build a team for long-term success. It means he's improving by drafting, getting young guys that can stick around for 6-8 years and create a dominant franchise. Slow and steady isn't bad.

Also, consider the team he picked up. Aging QB, struggling defense, no WRs, and Darren McInjured was our one positive. While we don't have any WRs still, we have a new RB, and a solid front 7 on defense. We have 2 potential QBs to look at and even if they aren't what we need, he's at least moved the team forward.

One of the biggest struggles for anyone who coaches the Raiders is FA. How are we supposed to entice strong FA's to this team? We don't have a huge payroll and we're not winning. Considering these things, I think Allen has done okay. But again, it all rests on this upcoming draft. If he fills a few key holes and it looks like the team is finally breaking through, I would be incredibly happy to have him come back. If we have another embarrassing season like this one, I'd be okay with showing him the door.
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Realistically our rebuilding won't culminate until Peyton retires. Not gonna take the division away from him. For me it's the 3 seasons after Peyton retires that are the biggest ones...that will show whether or not we've built well over the past few years and potentially past few coaches or whether we've been wasting our time and money on JaMarcus Russell.

This post was edited by BardOfXiix on Jan 10 2014 08:39pm

gotta agree with benny tho. sorry bard usually ur pretty on point to how i feel bout our raiders but man 3 years of losing seasons and time for that boot imo. i wont even say a winning season but come the fuck on and make a run for 8-8 or 7-9...fuck

We've been losing for 11 seasons straight. I'd say that at least 8 of those season we've either made no progress or moved backwards. Gotta get the ball rolling in the right direction for a change. The problem with this quick fix mentality is that there is no quick fix when your team has been this bad for this many years. We've tried quick fixes--brought in 4 veteran QBs over that span--and none of those work. We need to find a coach that is constantly making progress and stick with him.

If Allen drops the ball next season and we're as bad as we were this season (esp 2nd half), then yes, sack him. But if we start moving in the right direction, I really don't want to let that go. I've probably followed football for longer than the rest of you...I've seen every single one of our 11 losing seasons and then some. After 11 seasons in the shitter, I don't want to throw away a good thing. Slow and steady is at least constantly moving in the right direction, as opposed to getting part of the way to a good start then throwing it all away and rebuilding from nearly scratch with a new system and new coordinators.

So if we're in the same place at the end of this next season as we were at the end of this season, it might be time to sack Allen. If we've made progress (ESPECIALLY if we make progress outside of the QB position and struggle at the QB position), keep him and give him another year or two. We have two young QBs that I think we're still exploring (a lot of this depends on THIS draft, and my opinion of Allen will definitely change during/after this year's draft, so don't put too much stock in all my comments) and so if we flop because of bad QB play, I think you've gotta give him one more round. If we draft a new guy, the evaluation system changes (IMO). Again, so much hinges on the draft.

8-8 + or go home


iso draft already... plx a good player, plx , plx. plx

Look at the schedule and tell me what 8 games we'll win.

Chiefs, chargers, Bills, Cardinals, Texans, Jets, Browns, Rams (maybe Dolphins)