2009-I gave him a pass regardless of the fumble, though it was right to be mentioned.

2010-Stafford has definitely shown an inability to win big games with his 0-18? record on the road against winning teams and we will probably never get close to the SB with him (or with anyone else) but he isnt one of the best in the game like Rodgers is. Nothing is expected of Stafford because he is only your average to below average starter.

2011-The 9-7 Packers beat the 15-1 Packers in Lambeau because they always had the Packers number? Thats not an excuse and this is the biggest choke job of his career so far. EVERYBODY expected the best team in the league to beat the Giants and the Packers got embarrassed on their home turf.

2012-Agreed about kaepernick, but if Rodgers is the best in the league shouldnt he provide problems for the 49ers? Why is he being outplayed by a guy like Kaepernick and getting blown out by 2 TDs?

2013-Rodgers was injured and came back. Kaepernick played like shit with his 53% completion rate and his 1/1 TD/INT. Why couldnt Rodgers lead his team to victory on his home turf? There is no excuse here. Kaepernick outplayed the year before and Rodgers could have had some payback but he only managed 1 TD and 2 TDs total for the offense.

2014-22 points means nothing when he had the entire game to put them away but didnt. In the end, it just shows that he NEVER performs well against tough Ds. Compare that to Brady who destroyed the same Seahawks D when he needed to win.



It is somewhat of a choke because how many times are the Packers going to lose when they have the best QB on the field that day?
2013-You forgot the mention that he had first and goal at the 9 yard line when he scored that FG. Now the Rodgers we all know would typically score a TD on any other defense, not settle for a game tying FG.

Are you really going to deny he stuggles more than other top 5 QBs against tough defenses?
Like I said just look back as early as 2014:
Detroit 7 points (4th quarter 4th down pass to Jordy was way off) Detroit's defense completely stopped the Packers offense
Buffalo 13 points (Rodgers fumble on final drive) Personally, I think Buffalo's defense played better the Detroits. But again, just another top defense that Rodgers stuggled with.
Seattle 16 points game was never close and the seahawks D exposed the Packers like they were just another average offense.

In two games against seattle this year Rodgers threw 2 TDs and 3 INTs with 185 yard average and 62% completion. I gave you Brady's numbers in the SB when the stakes were the highest they could have ever been and when Rodgers wilts and succumbs to defenses, Brady shines and leads his team to victory.

Nobody is trolling, I am making a very clear argument and providing valid points proving Rodgers has had some chokes in his career and stuggles more than other top 5 QBs when faced with a good defense.

I like how you completely dropped the "good front 4s stop Rodgers" point.

Don't play semantics Crash, I specifically said front four and not 4-3 because a guy like Aldon Smith is basically a pass rusher on the outside. I thought it was obvious that front 4 means front 4 that rushes the QB

And thanks for actually bringing facts unlike some other posters on here.

Edit:
Yea, I figured I would get a response like this

This post was edited by Detroitt on Jun 27 2015 10:41am

It doesn't. Had you said front 7, I probably wouldn't have even replied because a solid front 7 is what wins championships.

I don't think it's fair to criticize Rodgers without looking at the entire picture. Like I've seen no mention of his hamstring in the NFCCG, when it was clear that it forced him to throw in situations when he would have ran for a few yards. You're looking at single items and trying to explain everything. Sure, the play from the WC game against Arizona that will be remembered is the fumble. But that's a game where the Cardinals scored 51 points. Brady has had 30+ scored against him twice in 29 playoff games, going 1-1. Rodgers has had it happen 3 times in 12 games, 2 of them being more than 40. Peyton has had 6 in 24 games.

Sure some of his stat lines haven't been great, but it happens. Brady has 7 playoff games in his career with more INTs than TDs and is 4-3 in those games. Rodgers is 1-1 in the same situation.

You're naming all his bad games to try and show it, but not putting them into context by comparing them with the good games, like going for 300 yards and 3 TDs with no INTs against the #1 defense in the Super Bowl. Of course it looks much worse when you're only comparing bad performances from one guy to good performances of another.

Dunno, just find it hard to sit here and argue with you when the reality is that Rodgers has an edge on Brady in every non-volume playoff passing stat except for yards/game and sack %. Of course there are going to be worse performances against the best teams. They're in the playoffs for a reason.

I'm not pretending that Rodgers was completely free of blame, but when the team was in position to win the last 2 playoff losses and failures by the defense contributed to the games slipping away, it's hard to agree that Rodgers is to blame. A QB can carry a team in the regular season, but if everybody doesn't step up in the playoffs, you end up with Peyton's W/L record.

This post was edited by Crashnburn_819 on Jun 27 2015 11:01am

This is all I'm trying to get at. Like I said, great QB but if this continues he's going to be looked at like Peyton. I still don't know how the hell you guys lost at Lambeau in 2011 against the Giants. He has had great games but that is why I brought up the recent 2014 games, that was not the Aaron Rodgers we all know. It's not his fault 95% of the time, but he has definitely put up some stinkers (when it comes to Rodgers expectations) against tough Ds.

Anyway, I just wanted to respond to the question from the OP and knew I would catch flak over it without explaining my reasoning.

4 turnovers and 6 dropped passes (most in a game that season for any team, had 30 total in the regular season) and just generally not being on the same page. Pretty much what happened in Buffalo this year.


This OP isn't worth responding to anyway. I don't see that it's possible to argue with Luck being the guy you start a brand new team with right now.

Why is a lions fan trying to get big

You don't see hako on here trying to compare bortles to luckgod

Surprised you guys bit on that. I somehow was able to abstain from filling him in on the small fact that being a boxscore warrior and actually knowing your shit are quite different.

I rarely see people try to use the 2011 playoffs against Rodgers because everyone remembers the ridiculous dropped passes...

Same with the injured 2014 Rodgers playoffs.

This post was edited by Meeker on Jun 27 2015 04:36pm

nope.

only look at Rodgers stats and make sweeping declarations. thats the Detroitt method here.