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Jan 25 2013 06:16pm
Quote (teh_knob @ Jan 25 2013 04:55pm)
Had Lewan and Matthews declared yes, there would've been, as it would've been the deepest OT class I can recall(4 OTs would've been in my top-12 prospects).  Lane Johnson/Johnathan Cooper/Barrett Jones would be significant reaches in the top-10, they're more of 15-35 guys, even in this class.

As for the Cards picks, Jarvis Jones is more flawed than Da'Quan Bowers and has similar longevity concerns(spinal stenosis).  I've got him as a 2nd round prospect(would rather have Mingo in that role).  Eddie Lacy ran behind perhaps the best 7-man(Michael Williams and Kelly Johnson were beasts) blocking front in college football history, I have doubts about him and then you factor in RB being a lower value position because how significantly it relies on others to be successful, and Arians praising Ryan Williams/being a pass-heavy coach, I don't see the value in a RB before the 4th(Colts grabbed Vick Ballard in the 5th last year and rode his 3.9ypc).  I expect QB to be a target much earlier than the 4th, with our staff changes I would expect QB to be our #1 need right now, whereas had we went with Horton and Norv Turner(all indications are that Ray had Norv as his OC) we'd be sticking with Kolb and QB wouldn't have even been a top-5 need.

I disagree with where most of your QBs are going but then again I hate all of them as prospects and still think 3-4 will go in the first round(none of which will be Barkley).


Offensive line guys are going to jump and fall hard in the combine. Even without Lewan and Matthews, those guys you listed and a few others all have the potential to push their way into the top 10 with it being such a position of need among most of those teams. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Titans go Jones or Warmack with their pick for just one thought I have.

For the Cardinals stuff, this is all just what I think should happen. Not at all what I think will happen, just purely my own thoughts of what I would do as each GM. If Jones falls past 15 it'll be a major steal. Unless new news comes out of the combine, I wouldn't be worried about any health issues. He was a monster in the SEC and his game should translate well to the NFL. I hate both LSU pass rush prospects so I'll be upset if we take either. I really don't want a pass rusher in the first, but Jones was too good to pass on this time around.

As for QBs, as I said, this is just my thought of what would happen, not what I think. I know people will reach for QBs because of the position but this is what I think should happen, not what I think will. I hate pushing QBs just because they're QBs. I'll draft them in rounds that their talent levels dictates for them and this is how I see them falling on that basis.
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Jan 25 2013 06:39pm
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Offensive line guys are going to jump and fall hard in the combine.  Even without Lewan and Matthews, those guys you listed and a few others all have the potential to push their way into the top 10 with it being such a position of need among most of those teams.  Wouldn't be surprised to see the Titans go Jones or Warmack with their pick for just one thought I have.

For the Cardinals stuff, this is all just what I think should happen.  Not at all what I think will happen, just purely my own thoughts of what I would do as each GM.  If Jones falls past 15 it'll be a major steal.  Unless new news comes out of the combine, I wouldn't be worried about any health issues.  He was a monster in the SEC and his game should translate well to the NFL.  I hate both LSU pass rush prospects so I'll be upset if we take either.  I really don't want a pass rusher in the first, but Jones was too good to pass on this time around.

As for QBs, as I said, this is just my thought of what would happen, not what I think.  I know people will reach for QBs because of the position but this is what I think should happen, not what I think will.  I hate pushing QBs just because they're QBs.  I'll draft them in rounds that their talent levels dictates for them and this is how I see them falling on that basis.


Spinal stenosis has ended careers(Marcus Mcneil, Chris Samuels lasted a little longer but he really regressed near the end). I'm not the biggest fan of Jones' tape either. Without spinal stenosis, I'd probably give him the (slight)edge over Mingo, but still behind DaMontre Moore and Bjoern Werner(who would both fit our hybrid scheme, would have doubts about Werner in Horton's scheme). I do feel pass rusher is a significant need(#2 behind QB right now), but I would be happier with Eric Fisher or Chance Warmack in that situation(I have Fisher as the better prospect but G as a bigger need as I'd like to see what a full offseason with John Lott can do for Nate Potter's strength, and how Levi Brown comes back from injury, whereas I hate Snyder and still don't understand our rationale for cutting Hadnot to overpay him for similar production). Arians is getting multiple OL coaches(says he'll have 3, our OC is an OL coach given the OC job so Arians could pluck him from Indy), so I do expect us to draft a couple OL.

And yes, QBs are a crapshoot this year so it will be interesting to see how things play out. I'd be shocked if we don't take one in the first 2 rounds, I just pray its not Glennon(hope its Dysert). Kolb doesn't fit this system at all and we need cap space so I can't see him lasting. Hope he goes to Cleveland to see what we could've had if we went with Horton and Turner, though I'm sure Andy Reid will be pushing for him to join the Cheifs.
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Jan 25 2013 06:51pm
Quote (teh_knob @ Jan 25 2013 05:39pm)
Spinal stenosis has ended careers(Marcus Mcneil, Chris Samuels lasted a little longer but he really regressed near the end).  I'm not the biggest fan of Jones' tape either.  Without spinal stenosis, I'd probably give him the (slight)edge over Mingo, but still behind DaMontre Moore and Bjoern Werner(who would both fit our hybrid scheme, would have doubts about Werner in Horton's scheme).  I do feel pass rusher is a significant need(#2 behind QB right now), but I would be happier with Eric Fisher or Chance Warmack in that situation(I have Fisher as the better prospect but G as a bigger need as I'd like to see what a full offseason with John Lott can do for Nate Potter's strength, and how Levi Brown comes back from injury, whereas I hate Snyder and still don't understand our rationale for cutting Hadnot to overpay him for similar production).  Arians is getting multiple OL coaches(says he'll have 3, our OC is an OL coach given the OC job so Arians could pluck him from Indy), so I do expect us to draft a couple OL.

And yes, QBs are a crapshoot this year so it will be interesting to see how things play out.  I'd be shocked if we don't take one in the first 2 rounds, I just pray its not Glennon(hope its Dysert).  Kolb doesn't fit this system at all and we need cap space so I can't see him lasting.  Hope he goes to Cleveland to see what we could've had if we went with Horton and Turner, though I'm sure Andy Reid will be pushing for him to join the Cheifs.


I disagree on who we take for QB a bit, my want order would be:

Landry Jones
Tyler Wilson
Mike Glennon
Matt Barkley
Zac Dysert
Ryan Nassib
Matt Scott
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Jan 25 2013 06:52pm
is randys wife going in the same round as manti teos GF

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Jan 25 2013 07:01pm
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is randys wife going in the same round as manti teos GF

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#2 overall and would be an instant upgrade from Gaba Gaba. B) :P
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Jan 25 2013 07:04pm
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#2 overall and would be an instant upgrade from Gaba Gaba.  B)  :P


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Jan 25 2013 07:26pm
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Jan 25 2013 07:28pm
New draft plox lol. O.o
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Jan 25 2013 07:31pm
Quote (Randolph @ Jan 26 2013 12:51am)
I disagree on who we take for QB a bit, my want order would be:

Landry Jones
Tyler Wilson
Mike Glennon
Matt Barkley
Zac Dysert
Ryan Nassib
Matt Scott


I don't necessarily like Dysert, its more of a process of elimination for me, I'll try to keep it short;

Bruce Arians wants to take his shots downfield. That immediately takes Matt Barkley out of it as he doesn't have the arm. Hurts Ryan Nassib because his deep ball is terrible. Hurts Landry Jones because he's captain checkdown. Hurts Mike Glennon because he's not athletic enough to make people miss.

Bruce Arians QB's take a ton of hits, whether it was Luck this year or Big Ben in years prior. This hurts Tyler Wilson's case because of his concussion this year. I do believe if Wilson doesn't get concussed he's the #1 pick in this draft. I wouldn't be opposed to him, just don't see him dropping to the 2nd and that concussion is a huge injury risk. Injury risk is why Kolb's got to go.

There's some intrigue to Tyler Bray but his character concerns cross him off. EJ Manuel fits these criteria but his tape is pretty bad.

I look at Andrew Luck this year, he made a ton of mistakes and missed a ton of receivers. But he was athletic enough to make plays or keep plays alive, he kept his eyes downfield, he attacked downfield, he got back up every time he went down, and never got phased. Zac Dysert isn't as talented as Andrew Luck, but he can do those things too.
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Jan 25 2013 07:33pm
Mel Kiper Jr.: Margus Hunt, Defensive End, SMU

Rob Rang: Dion Jordan, Defensive End/Linebacker, Oregon

Matt Miller: Sam Montgomery, Defensive End, LSU

Walter Football: Kawann Short, Defensive Tackle, Purdue

Drafttek: Sam Montgomery, Defensive End, LSU

Expert picks... for atlantas draft. Pass rusher is Def a need it seems in most people's minds.

This post was edited by hammerdanjbg on Jan 25 2013 07:34pm
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