We were plagued by injuries when Gronk was out, it wasn't just him, that's why the numbers look so bad. We also saw a significant decline once Lewis was out and then again when Edelman was out. Brady utilizes every single one of his weapons on the field, he also turns undrafted FAs into top 10 receivers lol, or guys just returning punts for bottomfeeder teams. Gronk is great and all, and I fucking love him, but Brady just gets the job done regardless of what he had. Castle had a much more solid team around him (line/defense) than Brady has had. Most of the credit needs to go to BB regardless, but it's impossible for me to say anyone other than Tommy Terrific is NE's #1 offensive player.


Edit - Castle was given a fucking 18-1 team lol. I mean... it wasn't exactly the same team, but we were still stacked. He had a decent year, but he threw what? 20 Tds or something all year as opposed to the 50 Brady threw the year before?


Most importantly to me, and one of the reasons I'll always see Brady as the #1 NE player. That fucking NE v SEA SB. We go against one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in decades and Brady throws for more yards and more TDs than any other team has allllll fucking year in the biggest fucking show on earth. He's just fucking clutch lol. Just hard to compare the two positions. There's a lot more pressure on the QB, it's hard being the leader ya know. Gronk is one of the best players I've seen in my lifetime, certainly the best TE of all time. Not only is a fucking monster down the field, but holy balls can the guy block as well. It's what reallllly puts him on a different level than guys like Graham imo.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Mar 31 2016 11:32pm

Brady > Gronk

can't really compare the 2008 team to the 2016 team man

great points

The argument of gronk vs Brady just depends on your perspective.

If you're going by most valuable to that team... Yeah Brady is the most important because he's the qb. Jimmy vs Brady there's a huge difference and at the most important position in football on a team that's running game is wildly inconsistent it's clear that Brady is more important.

Now if you're looking at it as nobody in the league can do what gronk does because he truly is that elite.... Then yeah because there are a few guys in the league that could come in and be just as good if not better than Brady.

Brady is the most important but gronk is hands down the best talent on the team.

I agree except "a few guys in the league that could come in and be just as good if not better than Brady"

Aaron Rodgers is the only name that comes to mind

no one else really fits that description imo, Rapeistburger? not really, Luck? not yet. No one can just jump in that system and do what Brady does, except maybe Rodgers, because he truly is that elite

Gronk is by far the best TE in the league tho where Brady isn't "by far" the best QB in the league (cuz Rodgers is still in the league, you could make the argument Rodgers >, because of the age difference)

Rodgers would be very good. Arguably better.

I think cam and Ben could do great things there too. Maybe some others. Regardless you get the point I was trying to make haha

Pat chung 1 year contract extension, like it

Who seen the Facebook videos between Brady gronk dola and edelgod ??

me.
talked to the guy who records edelgods videos on youtube. he told me about the cop vid they were working on [still working on it[ might even get rask in it