Quote (Grizzy_Green @ Oct 19 2014 10:21pm)

Never have I seen so much retard and confusion in one fucking team. What we have seen is a product of shitty coaching. It's time for coughlin to fucking retire

Quote (ferocity18 @ Oct 20 2014 03:20pm)

Couldn't disagree about Coughlin more.

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EAST RUTHERFORD — Pro Football Focus isn't the end-all, be-all for professional football grades. But it provides a good reference point that often matches my original impressions. It's also a service used by NFL teams, so it has credibility.

This week, despite the Giants losing 31-21 on the road to the Dallas Cowboys and having almost no visible pass rush, PFF had Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul with a +7.9 grade.

On their grading system, that's an off-the-charts mark. This is the second time this season Pierre-Paul has posted a grade in that range. He received a +9.1 in the Giants' Week 5 win over Atlanta and is the second-ranked 4-3 defensive end this season.

Much like he has for most of the season, Pierre-Paul graded out well against the run. He was +6.3 against the rush on Sunday, and +1.4 against the pass. And he did it, mostly, against Cowboys Pro Bowl left tackle Tyron Smith.

"He played hard and I thought he played well -- both run and pass," coach Tom Coughlin said. "He was very effective coming in from the backside on some of the runs. His energy level was high and he had outstanding endurance in the game. So if you were to find someone that gave the kind of effort you were looking for and played well, he would certainly be right at the top of the list."


Giants lack of pass rush key in loss to Cowboys NJ.com Giants beat writers Jordan Raanan and Nick Powell discuss how the Giants defensive line and its lack of a significant pass rush was key to the Dallas Cowboys victory Sunday afternoon in Texas.

The problem for the Giants appears to have been the rest of the defensive line, aside from tackle Johnathan Hankins (+2.0). Markus Kuhn (-2.8), Mathias Kiwanuka (-2.8), Cullen Jenkins (-2.4), Robert Ayers (-0.6), Damontre Moore (-0.6) and Mike Patterson (-1.6) all posted negative grades.

I'll be reviewing the coaches film some time in the next few days. We'll see if my observations are similar.

Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo was sacked twice in the contest (both times 0by Pierre-Paul) and did not throw an incompletion in the second half. DeMarco Murray also rushed for 128 yards as Dallas compiled 423 total yards of offense.

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On the same day his big brother took the NFL center stage, again, with a virtuoso performance in setting the record for most career touchdown passes, Eli Manning was losing another game by double digits, this time 31-21 to the Cowboys. But before anyone starts penning a Tale of Two Quarterbacks opus, consider Peyton and Eli were not as far apart as one might think.

How can the Giants look so ordinary despite what was a statistically superior showing from Eli? How in the world can the Giants lose a game when their quarterback throws three touchdown passes, does not have a turnover, actually runs 11 yards to pick up a first down and compiles a lofty rating of 116.7? It does not compute.

Once again, the notion — As Eli Goes, So Go the Giants — falls by the wayside. After the early West Coast offense growing pains, he has been highly efficient, more patient, less liable to chuck and hope. As a result his numbers are the best of his career. He’s thrown 14 touchdown passes, and of his five interceptions, one came via a late-game throw-it-up-there and another was in the hands of Rueben Randle in the end zone for what should have counted as another scoring pass.

For the third straight game, Manning did not throw an interception — the first time he’s gone three games without getting picked in more than six years, dating back to Sept. 14-Oct. 5, 2008.

The Giants are wasting what Manning is giving them. No one could predict the season-ending knee injury to Victor Cruz that robs Manning of his top target. Manning is getting the Giants in the right plays, but the offensive line in front of him is so inconsistent, he cannot set himself and step into his throw on a play-after-play basis. Heck, he didn’t play badly a week earlier, yet the Giants got shut out in Philadelphia. There is only so much Manning can do to help set the protection; if his guys are losing the physical battle up front, it’s not going to work. Manning was not as brilliant as Tony Romo — who had to throw only 23 passes — but Manning doesn’t have options such as Dez Bryant to throw to and DeMarco Murray to hand it to. And Manning certainly does not have the stud offensive linemen Romo is finally blessed with. For years, Romo had to try to overcome the shortcomings of those around him. Now Manning is faced with a similar predicament. You have to wonder if the Giants are in the midst of wasting one of the remaining peak years of his career.

Quote (xnozx. @ Oct 21 2014 03:41pm)

So as I was discussing in the other thread Griz.

What would you say about our O-line thus far?


Off and on, mostly off.

Spotty at best really.


Week 1: Awful against Detroit. I gave them somewhat of a pass because of Detroits pass rush.
Week 2: Really bad against Arizona.
Week 3: Really good against Houston
Week 4: Great against Washington.
Week 5: Decent against ATL.
Week 6: Worst protection I've ever seen in my life against Philly. No not an understatement.
Week 7: Pretty good protection against Dallas but there were a lot of throw aways because of leaking pressure.


I think getting Schwartz back will not only drastically aid our run blocking but also move guys back to their original positions.

We'll see.


Would you agree?

Quote (Grizzy_Green @ Oct 21 2014 03:49pm)

I don't think it's going to do much considering how dumb our coaches have been all season. They will absolutely bench Richburg and plug Schwartz at LG. I guarantee it. Instead of doing the obvious right thing in moving Richburg to center, Pugh to LG or RG and Schwartz to RT they will be retards. If they don't I will be shocked.