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Stress free Sunday  B)


2-2 feels good


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Sep 28 2014 06:22pm
Just like I said Philly is not a scary team at all.



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Just like I said Philly is not a scary team at all.



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Indeed, I'm happier now.

Who's scarier? Cowboys or Iggles?
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Indeed, I'm happier now.

Who's scarier? Cowboys or Iggles?


Neither

Who has the better team? Philly.


Both will be 3-1 after today.

We're sitting pretty at 2-2 all we have to do is take care of business and this division is ours. Stay healthy, get in a rhythm, play good defense and we will be golden.
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Sep 29 2014 10:57am
Giants injury report: Odell Beckham practices again, Jon Beason returns



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EAST RUTHERFORD – All signs appear to be pointing toward Odell Beckham Jr. making his Giants debut on Sunday against the Falcons.

Watching the team's 2014 pick work at practice is becoming commonplace around the facility. Beckham warmed up with his team and ran routes at (almost) full speed again on Monday.

There is a chance he could be listed as a full participant once the injury report comes out this afternoon, which has not happened yet this season.

The news would certainly be uplifting for an offense that already appears to be putting things together. Beckham's speed and hands will be a game-changer, though it wouldn't be a surprise to see Ben McAdoo work him back in slowly.

McAdoo tempered excitement during his press conference last week.

"He is a rookie. He hasn’t done much practicing in our offense," he said. "He has spent a lot of time in the meeting room; he is trying to get himself right physically. When he comes back we are going to do whatever we can do to help him. Get him ready to play and he will be ready when he is ready."

In other injury news, Jon Beason, who was doubtful heading into Thursday's game, appears to be back and practicing. I would expect him to at least be considered "limited" today based on his work in individuals.

The only player not practicing was Devon Kennard (hamstring) who is likely another week away.


Paul Schwartz þ@NYPost_Schwartz ·3 mins
Odell Beckham says he plans to practice Wednesday, practice full Thursday and believes he is ready to play Sunday.

Jordan Raanan þ@JordanRaanan ·4 mins
Beckham: 'my body feels great. I'm looking forward to Atlanta' #Giants


http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/09/giants_injury_report_odell_beckham_practices_again_jon_beason_returns.html



Man SO excited to see Beckham make his debut...... just hope he's fully healthy and not rushing anything. We shouldn't really need him against ATL but it would be nice to have him. I just don't want him to have another setback and not have him against philly.
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Sep 29 2014 11:04am
Pro Football Focus Review: Giants at the quarter-pole





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With four games already played in the 2014 NFL season, let's take a step back and see what kind of progress these New York Giants have made through the eyes of Pro Football Focus.
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We've reached the quarter point of the 2014 NFL season, New York Giants fans. It's been quite a journey so far, and including preseason, we've already watched nine games of Giants football. It still seems like the season is moving way too quickly given how long the offseason was. Can you remember how the Giants looked in their preseason tilts versus the Buffalo Bills and Pittsburgh Steelers? We're a long way from that, and I think the last two games in particular show that. Let's take a look at who's been contributing through the eyes Pro Football Focus and how they compare to the rest of the league. We'll be doing this review in a bit of a different format.

Elite (+8.0 to beyond)

After four games, if a player has gotten a +8.0 score or higher, they are on target for a season score of +32.0 or higher. Looking back at the 2013 regular season grades by position, that grade will put a player in the top three in his position at the very least. That's pretty much the definition of "elite." Who fits the bill right now for the team? The Giants have three that qualify, which is quite extraordinary when you think about it. Three game-breaking type performances.

The first player is the highest rated left tackle in the NFL, and that's Will Beatty (+10.1) and it's much deserved. After a horrid 2013 in which he allowed a league-high 13 sacks, Beatty is rounding back into form. So far, he's the highest performing member of the Giants' revamped offensive line, and has allowed a total of four pressures in these past four games, none of which are sacks. He started slowly, allowing three of those pressures against the Detroit Lions before really shoring up. His pass blocking efficiency is ranked fourth in the league at 98.0, but it's his balanced performance versus the pass and the run that's really standing out.

The next guy to be rated elite is the sensation at tight end, Larry Donnell (+8.7). Now, I have to say, on a personal note, with this guy I'm kind of patting myself on the back and smacking myself in the face at the same time. If you were here during our offseason draft coverage (and why wouldn't you have been, our coverage was tremendous!) I was a big fan of a certain player, Eric Ebron. I'm patting myself on the back because I remained convinced that the Ben McAdoo attack would focus heavily on the tight end. I'm smacking myself in the face because the reason I wanted someone like Ebron was so that they could run routes like this:

Turns out, the Giants knew more about that than I did. He struggled in the early going with his run blocking, but that has steadily improved. He isn't particularly fast, but the combination of his height, body control, nice hands, and unexpectedly crisp route running has been devastating, as he's on route to more than double the top tight end score from the 2013 season.

Finally, the last "elite" player in this group is the highest-graded defensive New York Giant, and that's Robert Ayers (+9.9). Thanks Denver Broncos, this guy has been a revelation. He has been truly versatile in that he's splitting time between DE and DT and playing both at a high level. He also comes in cold turkey and has an impact right away. In only 76 pass rush snaps this season, he's accumulated 13 QB pressures (three sacks, three hits, seven hurries). That pass rush productivity is second only to Cameron Wake of the Miami Dolphins. If there's anybody that needs to play more, it's Ayers. Just take a look at what he does to the Washington interior here. Absurd.

Superior (+4.0 to +7.9)

With grades ranging from +16.0 to +31.5, you have the range of players that are ending up in the top 10 at their position in the league. The Giants have a whole host of players that fit that description, which ends up going to show that they are an ascendant team. They have a total of SIX players (two offense, four defense), so let's get right to it.

The first guy here that has to be mentioned is Eli Manning (+5.0). After a rough start in which he briefly led the league in interceptions, something clicked. As former offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride stated:

    "I do think once they step back, which they have done now, they've paired it away and they're becoming much more specific in what they are going to do against a specific opponent ... I think you're going to see a much better performance."

It all starts with Manning. He seems to have taken the new "WCO" in stride and it shows in his metrics. He currently ranks THIRD in how quickly he gets rid of the ball. He lets it loose in 2.21 seconds, with only Peyton Manning and Andy Dalton getting it out quicker. Compare this to 2013, where Manning threw it in 2.65 seconds on average. That almost a full half-second shorter. While that may not seem like a lot, it's an eternity when in the pocket. Manning is also several measures more accurate. In 2013, after factoring out drops, spikes and throw aways, he completed 67.2 percent of his passes, right behind Geno Smith for DEAD LAST among qualifying quarterbacks. This year? Completing 77.8 percent of his passes (a more than 10 percent increase), good for seventh in the league and right in front of some random guys by the name of Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck. He can still sling it.

The other offensive player to grade out in the "superior" category is Justin Pugh (+5.1), who is quickly proving to be the best offensive tackle taken in the 2013 NFL Draft. He's allowed more pressure than Will Beatty, giving up two sacks and seven hurries, but he's been an absolute mauler in the run game, his +5.0 grade run blocking ranks third in the NFL. Want the grades of the other offensive tackles taken that year?

Eric Fisher: -9.7

Luke Joeckel: -3.9

Lane Johnson: Suspended

D.J. Fluker: -3.6

Menelik Watson: -1.6

Terron Armstead: +1.7

David Bakhtiari: -1.9

Ricky Wagner: +4.6

Jordan Mills: -4.1

LaAdrian Waddle: -0.3


Only Ricky Wagner comes close to Justin Pugh, and nobody else is even in the same ballpark. Wagner, however, didn't have the same solid display his rookie year, so I still give our guy the edge.

Moving on to the defense, we've got two guys that have and hope to be stalwarts on the defensive line for a long time. The first is Jason Pierre-Paul (+6.3), who isn't the pass rusher he used to be (-3.0 pass rush grade, with two sacks and seven hurries in 133 pass rush snaps) but is a genetically engineered hell-beast when it comes to the run. His +9.0 run defense grade, 17.3 percent run stop percentage and 13 run stops all lead the league. By comparison, the next highest number of run stops is Jared Allen with six and the next highest run stop percentage is 10.2 percent by Mario Williams.

The other dominant player on the line is Johnathan Hankins (+4.9). He is probably the Giants' best two-way player on the line. Known previously for his dominant run defense (indeed, he ranks fourth in the league among run stops from the DT position with six), he has added some downright nasty pass rush prowess, recording the THIRD highest pass rush productivity in the league, ahead of guys like Ndamukong Suh, Henry Melton, and Geno Atkins. In 66 pass rush snaps he's got eight pressures (two sacks, one hit, five hurries). Not bad. Not bad at all.

Finally, the two other guys make up one of the best cornerback tandems in the league. They are, of course, Prince Amukamara (+5.4) and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (+4.1). Amukamara has been especially dominant in coverage, having been targeted 17 times, allowing only eight receptions for 140 yards with two interceptions and three passes defensed. QBs have only a 36.0 QBR against him, which is absurd. DRC has been stingy as well, especially after Week 1. He's allowed 13 receptions on 27 targets for 179 yards and one TD, and has one interception and three passes defensed.

Both are talented against the run as well, which is well known about Prince, but a pleasant surprise regarding DRC. Prince is an especially good tackler, and he leads the league in run stops with 6 and run stop percentage (7.1percent), as well as tackling efficiency (having missed 0 tackles in the regular season). Overall, Prince is the third-highest rated corner in the league, while Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is ranked fifth.

Solid Contributors (+2.0 to +3.9)

Extrapolating these grades would give these players grades of +8.0 to +15.5 for the season, which puts them in that "strong contributor" area ranked in the top 15-20. Three players from the Giants fit this category and all are on the defense. They are Jacquian Williams (+2.9), Cullen Jenkins (2.4), and Antrel Rolle (+2.2).

You might be saying, wait a second, why is Williams anywhere near this group? Yes, he's definitely struggled. However, it's relative to the amount of responsibility that he's had. On multiple occasions, Williams has been asked (read: forced) to cover wide receivers. Williams is an excellent jack-of-all-trades linebacker and I'll give you the numbers to show it.

Let's start with the pass rush. Williams has only rushed the passer nine times. However, in those nine snaps, he's gotten one QB hit and two hurries. That's ultra-productive (even though it might not seem like it) and it results in Williams having the second-highest pass rush productivity of any 4-3 OLB in the league. Not convinced just yet? Okay, let's take a look at pass coverage. Williams has had 133 snaps in pass coverage. That's the second highest in the league (behind only the 144 snaps for Denver Broncos LB Brandon M. Marshall), and that looks like safety coverage numbers. With this responsibility he allows a reception once every 12.1 snaps (PFF's Cover Snaps/Rec metric). That's good for second-best in the entire league. It may look like he's allowed a lot of catches (and it's true, he has 11 rec/16 targets for 140 yards) but consider how many snaps he takes covering a player and who he actually is covering. Finally, as far as his run defense goes, he's got a grade of +3.9, FOURTH best in the entire league.

As far as Jenkins and Rolle go, they've been steady if not spectacular veterans for the Giants thus far. Jenkins had a bad game versus the Washington Redskins, not getting a single pressure, but has otherwise been on the positive side the first three games and grading well in the pass rush department. Rolle, meanwhile has only allowed eight receptions on 15 targets for 97 yards and a TD while nabbing two interceptions and one pass defensed.

Needs to Improve (-2.0 and beyond)

It's not all sunshine and roses in New York Giants land. We've got some underachieving players as well that need to step it up as we head into the second quarter of the season. Thankfully, there aren't too many players to go over, so hopefully this is a short section. There are three players on offense to discuss and two players on defense. There would be more than that, but Weston Richburg and Mathias Kiwanuka have vastly improved. Richburg in particular, as he went from a -6.2 grade the first two games to a +4.7 in the last two. The rookie is steadily improving. So is the veteran, as Kiwanuka suffered an atrocious -5.0 grade the first game against the Detroit Lions, but has steadily bounced back to grade at a +4.3 the next three games.

J.D. Walton (-2.3) is one such player that needs to improve, but to his credit, he's starting to. He's gone from a -3.8 in the first two games, to a +1.5 in the last two. So hopefully the Giants see continued growth and comfort from the starting center. The next player is rookie Andre Williams (-2.6) where the vast majority of his negative grade comes from the passing game. That's no surprise as that was a noted weakness dating back to college. He has been targeted four times with two receptions for 7 yards and two drops. The final offensive player that has been playing poorly is somewhat of a surprise. It's Henry Hynoski (-3.5). Hynoski's grade suffers from poor run blocking, which is mystifying given his great grades in the past. It might be a sign that the Giant offense could do without a true fullback in the future, having someone like Larry Donnell fill that role.

On the defensive side, the two players with the most to improve on are wily veterans Jameel McClain (-2.5) and Mike Patterson (-3.5). Starting with McClain, he's been simply mediocre in run defense and in pass coverage. He's great at rushing the passer, notching a QB sack and 2 QB hurries in 12 pass rush snaps (6th highest pass rush productivity) but ranks 31st in the league in run stop percentage. He ranks 17th in the league among inside linebackers in coverage snaps per reception allowed at 10.2. He needs to step his game up, though much like Beason, he's a much more positive influence on the team through his intelligence and ability to read plays and set up the others to succeed.

Patterson, meanwhile, might still be bothered by whatever his injury was that ailed him throughout the offseason process. He has only managed two QB hurries in 58 pass rush snaps and only one run stop in 52 run defense snaps. Just simply not good enough and a big reason why Robert Ayers is the first guy off the bench at DT and why Markus Kuhn is getting more snaps.

Overall Team Rankings

Through the quarter pole of the season, this is how the team ranks in comparison to everybody else:

Overall Team Offense: +15.5 (5th in the NFL)

Passing Offense: +5.3 (7th in the NFL)

Rushing Offense: -0.3 (10th in the NFL)

Pass Blocking: +8.4 (5th in the NFL)

Run Blocking: +0.2 (10th in the NFL)

Overall Team Defense: +35.6 (2nd in the NFL)

Run Defense: +22.2 (1st in the NFL)

Pass Rush: +6.8 (8th in the NFL)

Pass Coverage: +3.0 (6th in the NFL)

Special Teams: +1.8 (17th in the NFL)


http://www.bigblueview.com/2014/9/29/6856705/pro-football-focus-review-nygiants-quarter-pole-eli-manning-will-beatty-jason-pierre-paul

Click the link, it's easier to read, plus it has videos.


Read the part about Pugh and the other OT's from that draft class..... Pugh is head and shoulders above all of them B)

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[FONT='Times New Roman']Pro Football Focus Review: Giants at the quarter-pole[/FONT]



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http://www.bigblueview.com/2014/9/29/6856705/pro-football-focus-review-nygiants-quarter-pole-eli-manning-will-beatty-jason-pierre-paul

Click the link, it's easier to read, plus it has videos.


Read the part about Pugh and the other OT's from that draft class..... Pugh is head and shoulders above all of them  B)


Read the whole thing and now I'm hard rolf

No but really, I know that we have looked really good the last two games, but damn, those overall rankings are still a surprise to me. I hope we can actually calm down some (intentionally). I don't want the media to have high expectations for us come midway through the season, as we know how that goes...
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Read the whole thing and now I'm hard rolf

No but really, I know that we have looked really good the last two games, but damn, those overall rankings are still a surprise to me. I hope we can actually calm down some (intentionally). I don't want the media to have high expectations for us come midway through the season, as we know how that goes...


Lmao

If we beat ATL get ready for the league to dick ride us hard.... and if we beat Philly & Chip Kelly, you know God's gift to the NFL, get ready to hear Super Bowl.
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Sep 29 2014 12:07pm
ReFo: Giants @ Redskins, Week 4


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Thursday Night Football is developing a reputation for embarrassing losses.

This time we can thank the Washington Redskins who took an Eli Manning-sized beating at the hands of the New York Giants, where the two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback left the Redskins’ coverage unit chasing their tails, while the Giants’ defensive backs feasted on some poor decision-making courtesy of Kirk Cousins.

The game threatened to get out of hand and eventually did, but there was still a host of performances worth delving into on both sides.

Giants – Performances of Note

Eli Manning, QB: +4.4

Breakdown: What has happened to Eli? In the preseason he looked like a guy who couldn’t hit the a barn door from ten paces, yesterday he looked like he couldn’t miss. He was money on the intermediate throws, going 9-of-12 on those balls that travelled 10-19 yards in the air and looked incredibly composed as the Giants line kept him clean.

Signature Stat: Had an impressive 79.5% Accuracy Percentage score.

Robert Ayers, DL: +4.4

Breakdown: Ayers hasn’t just backfilled a free agency loss, he’s looking like upgrading a key position in the Giants’ defense. He doesn’t do an awful lot on early downs, but he’s proving a handful and then some in pass rushing situations from the DRT spot. He ended the day with two hits and a hurry as he went to work on Josh LeRibeus.

Signature Play: Knocks LeRibeus off his feet with 11.45 to go in the game, hurrying and hitting Cousins as he throws a pick.

Weston Richburg, LG: +2.8

Breakdown: Got a Jason Hatcher-style whooping on the first play from scrimmage, but was much better after that. Giants were not shy about using him to pull and after some bad attack angles got in the right position to help the team set up a power running game.

Signature Stat: Two positive games on the bounce after his first two starts, where he looked like a man in over his head.

Redskins – Performances of Note

Kirk Cousins, QB: -5.9

Breakdown: Where do you start? As good as he was at the weekend he was bad tonight, doing a horrible job of reading the coverage and an even worse one when it came to ball security. When you live by the sword you die by it, and he was caught too often going for big plays that were not there. Robert Griffin can sleep easier tonight.

Signature Stat: Three of his picks came when there was no pressure at all.

Ryan Clark, S: +0.1

Breakdown: It’s a little amazing how Clark, who takes more than a share of responsibility for the numerous coverage busts in the secondary, came out on the positive side but he just about does. He owes a debt of gratitude to his own ability to come up quickly on dumps-offs and in the run game, because that was key in his defensive display.

Signature Stat: Led team with four defensive stops.

Josh LeRibeus, LG: -0.3

Breakdown: I’ve spoken about Ayers and the way he had with LeRibeus, but outside of those instances the fill in left guard looked good. Crazy to believe right? Trent Williams got the praise on Alfred Morris’ touchdown run, but it was the reach and seal from LeRibeus that really got the job done.

Signature Play: Alfred Morris gets the touchdown with 13.03 to go in Q3, and it was the reach and seal from LeRibeus that helped put those points on the board.

PFF Game Ball

Making it look easy, Eli Manning is making those doubters of him in this system (amongst whom, I was one) eat their words.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/09/26/refo-giants-redskins-week-4/

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Just want to say thanks for week 1 guys! Gave us all the confidence in the world after destroying the packers and dismantling the Jets.

Here's to hoping we play the Giants every year! Cant turn down a confidence booster for my Lions ;)
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