A hole is something you fill and it's fixed. That is literally what a hole is. Which of those players needs to be replaced to fix the problem? None. They are all good players. Our on-the-field personnel is no problem. I can only attribute our defense woes to bad coaching. Plain and simple.

Lol'd

you seem to be a pretty cool guy for the most part, but i don't think you get what i'm saying at all. did you play football when you were growing up? whenever the team hit a slump, whatever coach i had would say the same thing: if the guys on the field aren't making it happen, i'm going to fine some that can.

having your starters out there and getting ravaged is not solely on coaching. you can't blame terrible plays on the ball in the air on the coaches nor can you blame the corners/safeties getting burned on them, that's on the players themselves. watch the highlights again if you have to. i already admitted that some of the defensive playcalling was poor, but that is nothing new at all. its the same defense we see every week for the most part.

starters aren't getting it done, plain and simple. you can debate me on the definition of "holes" all you want.

the special teams woes and mediocre pass rush is more of these issues that are rarely addressed. Mike Neal had such a bigger impact today than 1st Pick bust Jones.

recall how Shields, Hayward, Williams and Burnett all got their facetime to become the players they are? we got to see who was behind them and then they had to fight for their jobs. might be time to shake things up a bit and find some players that can continuously make plays.

This post was edited by Cheesehead on Nov 10 2013 09:57pm

Say I entertain your notion that our players aren't up to the task, what would you have the team do? "Shake things up and find players that can continuously make plays?" Someone summon Harry Potter to cast a Sackra Interceptica? TT drafts impeccably. He uses cap space to secure proven commodities. These imagined players that continuously make plays will not materialize out of the frozen turf. We have what we have, and they've proven they can play. They just aren't. That's a motivation problem. That's coaching.

You needn't accuse me of not understanding you. I just don't agree with you.

so you would argue that firing a coordinator or coach is a better option that switching out starters?

TT does draft well, but please explain all of the huge busts we've had on the line outside of raji?

There have also been quite a few poor picks too. I'll even give you Jones and Perry not being healthy enough and not having enough time to show what they've got.

I get what you're saying, but if you really think firing Capers right now is the best decision, I'll hand deliver a letter written by you when I head to Lambeau next

This post was edited by Cheesehead on Nov 10 2013 10:18pm

Isn't not swapping starters out on Capers?

Some picks haven't panned out. That's true with every team. I can't be said, however, that he doesn't address the perceived needs of the team in the draft. He sees problems and drafts to fix them.

We've had an absolutely freakish string of bad luck with 1st and 2nd rounders as far as health goes. It's almost pointless to try and evaluate most of those made in the last 4 or so years. I'm at a total loss to explain how our top picks have consistently found ways to hurt themselves. Completely. Baffled.

I'm implying, by the way, that Capers is not doing a good job in Green Bay these last two years. Not that we ought to chuck him. As a fan, I can say that I think he has been a letdown, but I'm hardly qualified to say when he needs to be canned.

That was my train of thought...

so if you place the blame on the coaching yet do not feel it it necessary to fire anyone, what do you propose happens next?

/shrug I'm no GM lol. I propose he be re-evaluated at least. If they chose to serve him his walking papers after that, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.