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Aug 18 2017 01:18am
Quote (Hako @ Aug 18 2017 01:09am)
lol no he doesn't. it'll take the MAX of 3 games before everybody is screaming about why is Henne the QB. the guy is in his 10th year as an NFL QB. he's the same QB who has never thrown for more TDs than INTs in a single season.

what happened tonight is one of the reasons why I didn't want to draft a RB in the top 5. the OL is still garbage and can't block to save their lives. Pass and run blocking is awful, just like last year.

Blake's drives ended with passes on 3rd and 9, 3rd and 11, 3rd and 3, and 3rd and 17. It doesn't matter who the QB is, they'll never succeed in those situations.



Henne has better accuracy and decision making

Bortles has loads more arm strength but who cares if you can't place it close
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Aug 18 2017 01:36am
Quote (Bluth @ Aug 18 2017 12:18am)
Henne has better accuracy and decision making

Bortles has loads more arm strength but who cares if you can't place it close


Henne played against 3rd stringers against the Patriots and had 2 good throws tonight that were dropped when he got gifted great field position due to Cole's punt return.

Henne has literally never thrown for more than 15 TDs in an entire season... Just think about that for a minute and remember this is the just 2nd preseason game.

If they're going to really change things up, throw Allen to the wolves as the starting QB. Otherwise, Bortles is the best option this team has. No matter how bad it could get, he's far and away the best option this team has.
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Aug 18 2017 02:04am
I thought Bortlels was a bad pick when they drafted him.
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Aug 18 2017 03:54pm
Thoughts Hako?

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Enough is enough.

Let's not spin this wheel one more time, Jaguars, in hopes that you'll hit the jackpot after three years of disappointment and the occasional mirage of a solid return with Blake Bortles under center.

It doesn't matter that Bortles has the appearance of a franchise quarterback, standing 6-foot-5 and 236 pounds with a big arm and decent athleticism. He simply isn't a starting-caliber quarterback; closing your eyes and sticking your fingers in your ears for the 2017 season isn't going to change that.

Bortles' improvement since entering the NFL in 2014 has been minimal, and as he highlighted again and again during Thursday's preseason game, he's actually somehow regressed, with his footwork, mechanics, and accuracy far below that of a backup quarterback, let alone a franchise pivot.

And the Jaguars know this, with head coach Doug Marrone saying after the game that the starting quarterback job is "up there for grabs."

Jacksonville has built a roster more than capable of challenging for the AFC South title after two back-to-back offseasons loading up on talent through the draft and free agency. However, no reasonable person can expect a Bortles-led team to challenge teams led by the likes of Andrew Luck and Marcus Mariota, regardless of the standard of the rest of the rosters.

No, it's not all about the quarterback, but it mostly is - especially when that quarterback is more talented at giving the ball to your opponents than your own team.

Bortles' penchant for turnovers doesn't need to be dissected any further. He is who is he. Sixty-three combined interceptions and lost fumbles in three years without being balanced out by any discernible strengths should kill any quarterback's career, even one who was a No. 3 overall pick to a franchise that has rarely seen good play from under center.

"For me, I like to run the ball every play," Jaguars head coach Doug Marrone told reporters in June when asked how many passing plays he would like to call each game. "None. Zero. I want to go back to the old way."

The problem is, you can only minimize the quarterback position so much. Marrone might want to hand Leonard Fournette the ball 30 times a game, but the Jaguars will still need Bortles to step up in critical situations.

And if nothing else, Bortles has shown he can't play as a game manager. That label is often an insult, but a game manager must be able to consistently read defenses and not get fooled, keep lost plays to a minimum by focusing on technique and accuracy, and most importantly of all, not put the ball at risk and get it into the hands of playmakers as soon as possible.

Or, as it should be known, the anti-Blake Bortles.

Admittedly, at this stage of the season, the Jaguars might have no other option than to roll with Bortles and hope he gets possessed by the spirit of Johnny Unitas.

Jacksonville passed on Deshaun Watson, and Patrick Mahomes, left it too late to make a run at trading for Alex Smith, and failed to kick Colin Kaepernick's tires.

Backup quarterback Chad Henne has a career passer rating of 75.5, but he's looked like he can actually execute the offense in the preseason, so handing him the starting job and relying on Fournette to have a Rookie of the Year-type season is likely the smartest move.

Foolishly, however, the Jaguars exercised Bortles' fifth-year option, meaning his 2018 cap hit is stuck on the books if he gets hurt. Now, the Jaguars will either have to risk extending this painful era by keeping him active as the backup, or follow the blueprint by the Washington Redskins with Robert Griffin III in 2015 and chain him to the sidelines.

They should opt for the latter, hand the reins over to Henne, and find out how quickly they can get Kaepernick up to speed.

Whether they have the stones to do this, however, remains to be seen. What is certain is that Bortles' time in Jacksonville is over.

The Jaguars just have to decide if they'll declare the time of death now and begin the next chapter, or keep hobbling along on life support for 2017.
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Aug 18 2017 08:14pm
Quote (Winlaw @ Aug 18 2017 02:54pm)
Thoughts Hako?


Whoever the idiot is in this quote of drivel is asking for Kaepernick.. That's how you know he's clueless and can't be taken serious.

Feel free to tell me who's career stat line this is below... and no it's not Bortles.

53 Starts
59.3 Comp %
58 TD
63 INT
149 Sacks given up
17 Fumbles
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Aug 18 2017 08:15pm
Quote (Hako @ Aug 18 2017 10:14pm)
Whoever the idiot is in this quote of drivel is asking for Kaepernick.. That's how you know he's clueless and can't be taken serious.

Feel free to tell me who's career stat line this is below... and no it's not Bortles.

53 Starts
59.3 Comp %
58 TD
63 INT
149 Sacks given up
17 Fumbles


Henne >>>>> Bortlels
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Aug 19 2017 01:41pm
Quote (Hako @ Aug 18 2017 10:14pm)
Whoever the idiot is in this quote of drivel is asking for Kaepernick.. That's how you know he's clueless and can't be taken serious.

Feel free to tell me who's career stat line this is below... and no it's not Bortles.

53 Starts
59.3 Comp %
58 TD
63 INT
149 Sacks given up
17 Fumbles


Disregard the Kaep inclusion. How concerned are you with Bortles?
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Aug 19 2017 01:57pm
Quote (Winlaw @ Aug 19 2017 12:41pm)
Disregard the Kaep inclusion. How concerned are you with Bortles?


I'm not.
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Aug 24 2017 06:18am
Jags are starting henne.... I just dont understand this logic at all
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Aug 24 2017 08:24am
Quote (Winlaw @ Aug 19 2017 02:41pm)
Disregard the Kaep inclusion. How concerned are you with Bortles?


hako isnt saying bortles is good.

what he is claiming, is that bortles at least has the slightest bit of upside. sure, bortles may suck just as bad all season this year, but what everyone does know, is henne is and always will be terrible.


if bortles is as bad as we think he may be, jacksonville wins 4-5 games. if henne is the same player who he always has been, jacksonville wins 4-5 games.



the only part that makes it even remotely close to a decision for me is the possibility bortles gets hurt if he starts and kicks that option in.


if jacksonville had a backup in the same quality as kirk cousins, then bortles would be benched just like RG3. but they have henne.

This post was edited by Genetics on Aug 24 2017 08:25am
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