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It's summer time at the NFL. During the next few weeks, we here at NFL.com will unveil our Most Underrated and Overrated Players of All Time for all 32 teams and allow users to determine their choices as well.

Who is the most underrated Giant of all time?
Eli Manning
Chase Blackburn
Dave Megget
Ottis "OJ" Anderson
Joe Morrison



Underrated

Eli Manning -- QB, 2004-present
Hands down, Manning is the greatest New York Giants quarterback ever. Fans don't give Eli enough credit for what he's accomplished in his nine seasons. He's already brought home two Super Bowl championships, one against a team pursuing the first 19-0 season in NFL history. Manning already has thrown for more touchdowns and fewer interceptions than Phil Simms. This season, Manning will most likely surpass Simms as the Giants' all-time leader in passing yards, and solidify his spot as the greatest quarterback in franchise history. For some reason, the perception that Eli Manning is not an elite quarterback still exists, and that makes him underrated.

Chase Blackburn -- LB, 2005-2012
Blackburn went from his couch to the starting lineup in Super Bowl XLVI. While the Giants' Super Bowl victory will forever be credited to another spectacular Eli Manning throw, true Giants fans will never forget Blackburn's spectacular fourth quarter play. With the Giants down 17-15 and the Patriots driving, Blackburn changed the game when he out-jumped Rob Gronkowski to make an interception. Just 10 weeks before his game-changing pick, Blackburn wasn't even on an NFL roster. His name was quickly forgotten after the Super Bowl, and he recently signed with the Carolina Panthers. Much like David Tyree before him, Chase Blackburn's name should forever be in the hearts of Giants fans for his Super Bowl heroics.

Dave Meggett -- RB, 1989-1994
While most Giants fans remember Meggett, he is still one of the most underrated players of all time. Meggett invigorated the Giants offense with his contributions in the return game and in the backfield. With the Giants' current absence of a return game, every fan would love to have a guy like Meggett on the squad. In 1990, he sparked the Giants to a Super Bowl championship with his league-leading 467 punt return yards. In that Super Bowl victory, Meggett also contributed on offense, coming up big on third downs throughout the game. Before Darren Sproles was a household name, Meggett was the prototypical "scat-back" threat and was consistently a game-changer.

Ottis "O.J." Anderson -- RB, 1986-1992
Anderson revived his career in New York when he led the Giants to a victory over the Buffalo Bills in Super Bowl XXV. Originally drafted by the St. Louis Cardinals in 1979, Anderson was solid for seven seasons in St. Louis before being plagued with injuries. As he was approaching 30, Anderson's career appeared to be over and the Cardinals were looking to trade him. The Giants decided to take a chance on him, and in 1990 he ran wild at the age of 34. Anderson put up 1,023 yards and led the Giants to their second Super Bowl in five years. His performance in Super Bowl XXV was unforgettable as he rumbled for 102 yards and a touchdown, and was named the game's most valuable player.

Joe Morrison -- RB, 1959-1972
After their loss to the Chicago Bears in the 1963 NFL Championship Game, the Giants offense struggled for years. They didn't have another winning season until 1970, but during that stretch Morrison was their entire offense. Morrison could do it all, as he lined up at halfback and flanker. In 1969, he had more than 1,000 yards from scrimmage and led the team in rushing. As he never made a Pro Bowl, Morrison was just an unsung hero on a mediocre team. After spending his entire 14-year career with the New York Giants, Morrison retired and was enshrined in the Giants' Ring of Honor. Since he will never wind up in Canton, Morrison will forever be underrated.

Who is the most overrated Giant of all time?
Jeremy Shockey
Justin Tuck
Brandon Jacobs
Jason Sehorn
Ron Dayne



Overrated

Jeremy Shockey -- TE, 2002-07
Shockey made waves with his aggressive play and off-field persona, but proved to be replaceable during the Giants' run to victory in Super Bowl XLII. Despite making four Pro Bowls while with the Giants, Shockey was easily replaced by Kevin Boss, after Shockey suffered a broken fibula and missed the end of the season in 2007. Shockey never played an entire season for the Giants and never had more than 1,000 yards. After becoming a distraction in the locker room, the Giants traded Shockey to the New Orleans Saints for a second- and fifth-round pick. He played three incomplete seasons in New Orleans before being cut in 2011. Shockey defines the term overrated, as he will be remembered for his bravado and not his play.

Justin Tuck -- DE, 2005-2012
As a captain, Tuck is supposed to be a leader on the Giants. The best leaders usually lead by example. Tuck hasn't exactly set the best example over the past two seasons, totaling just nine sacks in that time span. That doesn't cut it on a defense predicated on rushing the passer. The Giants had the NFL's second-worst defense in 2012, allowing 383.4 yards per game. They clearly need more leadership from their captain. If he's going to lead the Giants to another Super Bowl, Tuck needs to get off the Subway diet and start crushing opposing quarterbacks.

Brandon Jacobs -- RB, 2005-2011
Jacobs runs his mouth better than he runs the football. Widely regarded as a short-yardage back strictly because of his size, Jacobs frequently got stuffed on short-yardage situations. Ahmad Bradshaw consistently overshadowed him on the field, as Jacobs produced only two 1,000-yard seasons in his eight-year career. After being released by the Giants following the 2011 season, Jacobs took his talents to San Francisco. As a 49er, he touched the ball five times before getting suspended for conduct detrimental to the team, proving that he was more of a distraction than anything else.

Jason Sehorn -- DB, 1994-2002
For a while, Sehorn was the No. 1 cornerback on the Giants and a fan favorite. He flourished in the New York spotlight and eventually married Angie Harmon, yet Sehorn had a less-than-glorious career. Due to injuries, Sehorn was only able to play two complete seasons in his 10-year career. In his best season, 1997, Sehorn's six interceptions tied for the fifth most in the NFL. Sadly, Sehorn's most memorable moment came when he decided to pull up his pants instead of making a touchdown saving tackle.

Ron Dayne -- RB, 2000-04
As a Heisman Trophy winner and a first-round pick in 2000, Dayne proved to be nothing more than a below-average running back. As a rookie, Dayne became part of "Thunder and Lightning" alongside Tiki Barber as the Giants made a Super Bowl run. Unfortunately, Dayne's run ended there as he slowly declined over the next three seasons. He never once had a 1,000-yard season and averaged a measly 3.8 yards per carry over his career. The fact that Dayne was considered part of something special during his rookie year makes him overrated.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000212159/article/new-york-giants-alltime-underrated-overrated-players

Eli Manning is definitely underrated, and I'd have to say Brandon Jacobs being overrated altho I did like him because I liked big guy running the balls through line.
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Jul 7 2013 02:33pm
LB Dan Connor arrested at a Philadelphia airport


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He was allegedly carrying a switchblade in his luggage



Lol... who brings a switch blade on a plane.... one of the Philly fans probably planted it LOL

Minor incident though probably won't even be fined.

Have to use common sense though... lol

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Giants Roster Breakdown #47: Markus Kuhn





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Markus Kuhn faces lots of competition in his effort to make the 53-man roster for the second straight season.


Let's continue our player-by-player breakdown of the 90-man roster the New York Giants will bring to training camp with a discussion about second-year defensive tackle Markus Kuhn.

2012 Season In Review

Kuhn, 6-foot-4, 299 pounds, was drafted out of North Carolina State in the seventh round, only the second player from his native Germany to be drafted by an NFL team. The other is Sebastian Vollmer of the New England Patriots. Kuhn, somewhat surprisingly, moved past 2011 second-round pick Marvin Austin and became part of the defensive tackle rotation before a knee injury landed him on IR after 10 games. He finished with eight tackles and four passes defensed, showcasing potential as a useful member of the defensive tackle rotation.

2013 Outlook

For Kuhn, 27, you would have to call it uncertain. He did not practice at all during OTAs or mini-camp as he recovers from surgery to repair a torn ACL. There is no way of knowing right now when he might be ready, meaning he could begin on the PUP list. With the Giants having drafted Johnathan Hankins in the second round, added free agents Cullen Jenkins, Mike Patterson and Frank Okam, and with Austin and Shaun Rogers returning, Kuhn's path to a roster spot is a difficult one.

Just wondering here, but might it be possible Kuhn opens the regular season on the PUP list -- meaning he would miss the first six games -- and gets activated midseason as an injury replacement?


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Giants Roster Breakdown #48: Eli Manning





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A look at Eli Manning is on the agenda today as we continue our Giants roster breakdown.



We have arrived at a very special, important place in our player-by-player breakdown of the 90-man roster the New York Giants will bring to training camp at the Timex Performance Center later this month. Today we discuss quarterback Eli Manning, the most important of all Giants.

2012 Season In Review

Not Manning's best work, that is the simplest way to put it. His touchdown and interception numbers were roughly the same as they were in 2011, 29 TDs and 16 INTs in 2011 to 26 and 15 in 2012. His total yardage dropped by nearly 1,000 yards, however, his passing yards per game went from a career-best 308.3 to 246.8, his lowest average since 2008. There were four games where his quarterback rating dipped below 60.0, two of those below 50.0 with his worst game being a 13-for-25, two interception stinker with a passer rating of a putrid 38.9. His rating for the season was a pedestrian 87.2. His completion percentage (59.9 percent) was his first season below 60 percent since 2007.

After a season in which he led the Giants to the second Super Bowl title of his career, he performed in a way that once again had some people wondering exactly what to make of Manning.

Some of the issues can be explained by the injury-plagued season suffered by Hakeem Nicks, and the season-long effort by the Giants to find a consistent replacement for Mario Manningham.

The off-target throws and stubborn decisions, like throwing an ill-fated pass to Ramses Barden that backfired in an early-season loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, or foolishly challenging Asante Samuel of the Atlanta Falcons and getting picked off, setting the tone for a brutal 34-0 loss, are purely on Manning.

There were ups and downs like the three-week midseason stretch without a touchdown pass, a four-touchdown game against the New Orleans Saints and a five-touchdown effort in the season finale against the Eagles.


2013 Outlook

The Giants have talked ... and talked ... and talked this offseason about being more consistent. About finding ways not have so many peaks and valleys during the season and find themselves so often mystifyingly uncompetitive in some games.

That has to start with their quarterback.

When I was a guest recently on the 'Sports Buffet' host Rod Babers said he felt Manning had a "really low floor" but that his ceiling was as high as anyone's. I think that's an apt description. The question of why the floor can be so low for a quarterback with the pedigree and ability Manning possesses is one we may never answer. The fact is that for the Giants to be a more consistent football team Manning simply has to find a way for the 'Good Eli/Bad Eli' routine to be less of a storyline. When Manning falls to that floor he takes the Giants with him. The same is true when he bounds toward that incredibly high ceiling.

What do I think we will see from Manning in 2013? Well, he has alternated exceptional years with so-so ones in recent seasons. Based on that pattern this would shape up as an exceptional season for Manning. If Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz can stay healthy and happy, Rueben Randle develops the way the Giants think he will and Louis Murphy can provide an occasional big play Manning will have a plethora of play-making wide outs to get the ball to. Also, don't discount the possibility that Brandon Myers could turn out to be the best pass-catching tight end the Giants have had since Jeremy Shockey.

What the Giants -- and their fans -- would really like to see is 2013 be the beginning of a three- or four-year run where 'Bad Eli' gets shoveled so deep under some Meadowlands dirt that you forget he even exists.


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[FONT='Times New Roman']LB Dan Connor arrested at a Philadelphia airport[/FONT]





Lol... who brings a switch blade on a plane.... one of the Philly fans probably planted it LOL

Minor incident though probably won't even be fined.

Have to use common sense though... lol


Just saw this. Pretty shitty. Not sure if its even legal to carry one in Pennsylvania so I don't know.
I was pretty excited when we signed him.
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Just saw this. Pretty shitty. Not sure if its even legal to carry one in Pennsylvania so I don't know.
I was pretty excited when we signed him.


Yea so was I. I think he'll contribute right away.

I doubt he even gets a slap on the wrist for this lol... just a foolish mistake either he forgot it in there or whatever the case was.
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Video of every 2011 TD pass






VERY cool video

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Jul 8 2013 10:31am
Cruz could sign as early as today!!!!


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"Per source with knowledge of negotiations, long-term deal between Victor Cruz and the Giants is very close. It could come as soon as today."


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Mike Garafolo of Fox Sports tweeted that he's hearing the same and added:

"Also told to expect somewhere between $8m-$9m APY on the Cruz deal."


Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 28m

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I don't have the details, but I'm told Cruz's deal -- depending on structure, etc. -- will probably come in right around the $8.5 M average.

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That sounds right to me ... RT @corryjoel: Cruz's guaranteed money should be in the $20M range with an $8.5M avg per year on a 5-year deal.




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Jul 8 2013 02:48pm
CRUZ SIGNED THROUGH 2018!!!



Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN now
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Victor Cruz's deal is technically a contract extension. He'll play for $2.879M this year, then a 5-year, $43M extension kicks in next year.


Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN now
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So he's now signed through 2018. And as @MikeGarafolo just noted, it's really a 6-year, $45.879M deal (with $15.6M guaranteed). #NYG




EXCELLENT VALUE

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