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Sep 13 2025 09:20pm
Worthy didn't break out, Worthy was the next guy into the role after Rashee was injured, and I'll remind you Hollywood was already out.
Worthy wasn't schemed into intermediate levels of the field. 407 of his 638 yards last year came after the catch

Rice is, without a doubt, the clear #1 target in this offense and that isn't debatable so I don't know why you're even trying to argue this, he's not even ahead of Kelce who had literally 35 more targets than worthy last regular season.

I'll state again so its clear, and this is inarguable, Worthy is at best the #3 target in this offense, and its a tossup between him and Hollywood for that spot, when everyone is healthy.


Yeah exactly 2/3 of his yards were YAC. Now do Rice when he was active?

Where were those catches made?

It will be fun to circle back here as the year goes on lol

(By the way, Worthy set an NFL record for most receiving yards by a rookie in the superbowl. Didn't break out though.)

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Yeah exactly 2/3 of his yards were YAC. Now do Rice when he was active?

Where were those catches made?

It will be fun to circle back here as the year goes on lol

(By the way, Worthy set an NFL record for most receiving yards by a rookie in the superbowl. Didn't break out though.)


2/3rds of his yards being yac implies he wasn't running intermediate routes.

Moreover, Rice was also not running intermediate routes. This team doesn't run a lot of intermediate routes and when they do its with guys like Justin Watson, who lead the team in depth of target last year.

Setting/tying a record for most yards by a rookie in the super bowl has nothing to do with this conversation about who the progression of targets goes through.

Again.

1. Rice
2. Kelce
3/4. Brown/Worthy
5. Royals
6. Juju/Gray
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Sep 13 2025 09:55pm
2/3rds of his yards being yac implies he wasn't running intermediate routes.

Moreover, Rice was also not running intermediate routes. This team doesn't run a lot of intermediate routes and when they do its with guys like Justin Watson, who lead the team in depth of target last year.

Setting/tying a record for most yards by a rookie in the super bowl has nothing to do with this conversation about who the progression of targets goes through.

Again.

1. Rice
2. Kelce
3/4. Brown/Worthy
5. Royals
6. Juju/Gray


i heard yall gettin tyreak back?
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i heard yall gettin tyreak back?


Schefter reported earlier today that so far, no team has called to inquire about a Tyreek Hill trade.
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Sep 13 2025 11:17pm
2/3rds of his yards being yac implies he wasn't running intermediate routes.

Moreover, Rice was also not running intermediate routes. This team doesn't run a lot of intermediate routes and when they do its with guys like Justin Watson, who lead the team in depth of target last year.

Setting/tying a record for most yards by a rookie in the super bowl has nothing to do with this conversation about who the progression of targets goes through.

Again.

1. Rice
2. Kelce
3/4. Brown/Worthy
5. Royals
6. Juju/Gray


Yes Rice had a lower ADOT and you can call them schemed up short targets if that sits better with you, Worthy is also a deep threat and that will bring up his ADOT. But you've hit the important point - they both got most of their yards as YAC, which was driven largely by scheme. You're making the fairly drastic assumption that Rice will resume the exact same role he had before Worthy broke out. Sure it's possible, but it's also possible Worthy eats into some of Rices schemed looks and target share (seems a lot more likely to me that this number > 0%).

What does the offense look like with both of them healthy and active this year? It's uncertain.

Your certainty almost guarantees you'll be wrong. It's definitely in the range of outcomes that Worthy outperforms Rice when they're both active. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, I'm saying it could (and the chances are reasonable enough to be worthy of consideration)
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Sep 13 2025 11:22pm
Yes Rice had a lower ADOT and you can call them schemed up short targets if that sits better with you, Worthy is also a deep threat and that will bring up his ADOT. But you've hit the important point - they both got most of their yards as YAC, which was driven largely by scheme. You're making the fairly drastic assumption that Rice will resume the exact same role he had before Worthy broke out. Sure it's possible, but it's also possible Worthy eats into some of Rices schemed looks and target share (seems a lot more likely to me that this number > 0%).

What does the offense look like with both of them healthy and active this year? It's uncertain.

Your certainty almost guarantees you'll be wrong. It's definitely in the range of outcomes that Worthy outperforms Rice when they're both active. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, I'm saying it could (and the chances are reasonable enough to be worthy of consideration)


1. I am not making *any* drastic assumptions, anyone who knows this team or reports on this team knows that Rice will go right back to his previous role.
2. Again, worthy did not "break out", he merely slotted into the position vacated by both Rice and Brown's injuries last year.
3. It is indeed possible that Worthy, if healthy, eats into *some* of Rice's touches, but he will not come close on touches or targets, which is the point of this post.

Lastly, "outperform" is subjective. If you mean out-target and out-touch Rice, then no, there is no possibility of that being the case when they are both healthy and on the field. The Offense runs through Rice, as it did before his injury.

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Sep 13 2025 11:35pm
I'm talking for fantasy football purposes outperform

Rice will likely get more targets sure, wouldn't be shocked to see Worthy get more yards and TDs tho
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Sep 13 2025 11:45pm
Playing at the same time, Worthy will average fewer yards and touches. TDs is an entirely subjective thing to consider here, though mathematics and conventional wisdom both generally agree that more targets = more potential for TD's.


I think its just possible you're way overselling Worthy as a receiver, or you simply forgot we had Hollywood Brown get injured in preseason of last year and thought Worthy was some "breakout" receiver, rather than "next man up".
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Playing at the same time, Worthy will average fewer yards and touches. TDs is an entirely subjective thing to consider here, though mathematics and conventional wisdom both generally agree that more targets = more potential for TD's.


I think its just possible you're way overselling Worthy as a receiver, or you simply forgot we had Hollywood Brown get injured in preseason of last year and thought Worthy was some "breakout" receiver, rather than "next man up".


I think Brown is pretty good. But I don't think he can create a ton. He'll soak up targets for the next few weeks tho lol
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