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Jan 18 2025 09:35pm
I replied to someone who quoted me to continue arguing.

Thanks for policing the forum Hawaii 5-0, how's Cancun?


You’re acting like a child. It’s embarrassing…just move on.
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Jan 18 2025 09:43pm
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Jan 18 2025 09:50pm
You’re acting like a child. It’s embarrassing…just move on.


I get that you're crashing out from my Chiefs going to another AFCCG while your team goes to cancun, but you made claims you can't back up and chose to talk shit, I'm merely returning the favor bud.


If you want to move on, don't fucking quote me and reply? That's literally more childish lmao.
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Jan 18 2025 09:56pm
https://i.ibb.co/PMrKKsL/Screenshot-20250118-185946.png

This is what I was basing it off of, but can you explain how if I was a bettor betting with lake at +410 (using bovada ofc) so that's the standard that anyone will be comparing lines from for the most part considering it's always available and from any side. So you really aren't able to "shop a book", I mean you can if you want to but any sane person would basically refer back to bovada to compare the lines with what's readily available.

So if someone were to take +480 on the Texans (after splitting the difference between consensus value not bovada lines) in what way has this hurt the bettor betting on the dog? Considering their alternative is to bet with lake with +410. Obviously the bettor betting on the favorite is getting increased odds as well via less risk, but I'm just not understanding how that's hurting the underdog bettor.

Also explain what you mean by splitting spread if you wouldn't mind?

Edit: for whatever reason img isn't loading

Edit 2: damn even screenshots on android lookin like ass wtf




Some flaws in the commentary and I don't want to write a novel so I'll try to make it short and sweet.

1. Bovada is not the standard, its Lake's chosen book due to two metrics, vigorish and data availability provided to maddux for grading.
2. We absolutely can "shop books", as evidenced by the existence of this thread which does just that.
3. Splitting the value of a moneyline wager 1:1 does not move "real odds" on the wager. It makes the payouts better for everyone, sure, but the EV% goes to the favorite bettor.

If you have an 80% chance to win and receive a 16% gain in payout value, you've net 12.8% EV in the split.
If you have a 20% chance to win and receive a 17% gain in payout value, you've net 3.4% EV in the split.

The Favorite bettor gains 9.4% EV over you in doing so.

4. In a spread bet, the lines are usually like -105/-115. Both of you are giving up value for your points. Splitting this by nullifying the vigorish gives value to both bettors, without affecting "real odds".

Its literally "my chiefs -8.5 vs. your texans for 100k" and its jsut a direct 100K wager based on the points, no value lost.
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Jan 18 2025 10:14pm
I get that you're crashing out from my Chiefs going to another AFCCG while your team goes to cancun, but you made claims you can't back up and chose to talk shit, I'm merely returning the favor bud.


If you want to move on, don't fucking quote me and reply? That's literally more childish lmao.


Move on
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Jan 18 2025 10:14pm
Move on


Where to? Cancun with the Bengals?


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Jan 18 2025 10:30pm
Where to? Cancun with the Bengals?


Yeah
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Jan 19 2025 12:06am
Some flaws in the commentary and I don't want to write a novel so I'll try to make it short and sweet.

1. Bovada is not the standard, its Lake's chosen book due to two metrics, vigorish and data availability provided to maddux for grading.
2. We absolutely can "shop books", as evidenced by the existence of this thread which does just that.
3. Splitting the value of a moneyline wager 1:1 does not move "real odds" on the wager. It makes the payouts better for everyone, sure, but the EV% goes to the favorite bettor.

If you have an 80% chance to win and receive a 16% gain in payout value, you've net 12.8% EV in the split.
If you have a 20% chance to win and receive a 17% gain in payout value, you've net 3.4% EV in the split.

The Favorite bettor gains 9.4% EV over you in doing so.

4. In a spread bet, the lines are usually like -105/-115. Both of you are giving up value for your points. Splitting this by nullifying the vigorish gives value to both bettors, without affecting "real odds".

Its literally "my chiefs -8.5 vs. your texans for 100k" and its jsut a direct 100K wager based on the points, no value lost.


Ah yes spread split being 1:1 of course is best, I agree. And I understand what you are saying from that EV standpoint, but again any lines or spreads will be compared with bovada in this forum because of lakes book. I understand there are many different books out there and have better odds depending on which side you're betting, but those books are not available here besides bovada lines. You can make your own threads with your own bets obviously, but I'm saying it will be compared to bovada lines because that's the book that lake uses
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Jan 19 2025 07:03am
You're welcome, but my point here was that you're not going to get attract counter-bettors to the Texans line without offering better odds for them, if you're taking KC. At 4:1 you'd drastically moving the EV in your favor, while reducing theirs, especially with you on the favorite.



Depends largely on the book and how much action they've taken, lowest I see is 374, highest I see is 440.

However as I posted, the average of the books available are far, far away from the -455/+350 advertised from DK that OP is using.







I'm literally not a multi though, I genuinely didn't know this forum existed until Diablo 4's launch.

And look at you yapping with 40% warn, 0 FG on a 2017 account. If anyone's the multi its you lol.


I was just trying to help OP get his wager locked in, sorry for trying to help guys, I'll just go back over to lakeshow's book.


My dude.

You’re wrong.


You split the difference here.

Unless you’re lakeshow’s sports book we always split the difference.

Stop telling others they're wrong you’re looking like a fool.
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Jan 19 2025 08:53am
My dude.

You’re wrong.


You split the difference here.

Unless you’re lakeshow’s sports book we always split the difference.

Stop telling others they're wrong you’re looking like a fool.


For the fourth time now, you goofballs need to read. I didn't say we don't split, I said you wouldn't split this to -400. Moreover I followed up by including the values of all other books, pointing out how far off the moneyline supplied actually was.

I am not wrong, I was never wrong, and even OP admits he used a book that made him look shady.


For the love of god, read more and talk less when your IQ is at room temperature.



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