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Nov 13 2023 11:05pm
Didn't watch any bit of this game, but LOLBILLS!
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Nov 14 2023 12:56am
Quote (Falcon_A @ Nov 13 2023 08:51pm)
you need to realize the guy didnt catch it. in fact the ball was uncatchable. the "contact" there was not to prevent a catch. the contact was because both players were running at full speed, and one stopped in front of him. like you're going 85 on the highway and the car in front of you just brake-checks you. he actually tried to slow down, you can see that, and he put his arms out to try to soften / slow himself down / prevent any incidental contact, but ends up being called on what could at best be considered contact that does not affect whether the ball would be caught or not. this is not pass interference. he did not interfere with the route, he did not interfere with the catch. do not make me post a gif/webm. you watched it, and you are perpetuating the lie.



it has nothing to do with being a bills fan or not, it's about integrity of the game. both teams played terrible tonight... but if i gave two fucks about this at all, it'd be painful to see a game end on multiple cancerous penalties especially a close game that could've gone either way, and maybe if the bills got the ball back with 40 seconds or something it'd be easier to tolerate this garbage, but it's just a "flag flag flag end game" - dissatisfying to everyone. the team that won as well - it's a hollow, empty victory. they were robbed of the chance of having an actual sportsmanlike triumph and are instead just declared victorious so vegas makes more profit.

for full disclosure, i bet denver +7 and under 47.5 points, and am "happy" with the result from a financial standpoint, but this game is disgustingly influenced by vegas at this point and you'd be blind to ignore that. most of the playoff runs make it obvious (LA rams winning the SB in LA, TB winning the superbowl in TB, fucking bengals getting to the SB, etc...)

somewhat related - don't believe the narrative/hype on the eagles. the eagles should be 6-3 at best as well, the game vs washington and the game vs the vikings they actually lost, but refs saved them. maybe even the cowboys but that's debateable because the cowboys are terrible (Yes I know they're 6-3 and are winning against the giants by like 32 points or whatever but they can't play vs any real teams, have 0 wins vs teams above .500, got BTFO by the 9ers, and ACK! prescott / SACK prescott got sacked and was as unclutch as he always is. if they don't literally fumble the game away, eagles could be 5-4 right now. so, "logically" they should lose to the chiefs, but who knows, i guess it depends on if taylor swift is at the game or not.


So he committed pass interference, what’s the issue?
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Nov 14 2023 05:44am
Quote (BillsMafia @ Nov 13 2023 10:41pm)
lol its predetermined bro. You let me know when Vegas loses millions of dollars.


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scripted for 12 men.


So are you admitting players and coaches are in on it?
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Nov 14 2023 06:03am
Quote (BearGri11z @ Nov 14 2023 06:44am)
So are you admitting players and coaches are in on it?


Lol I have been saying it is possible to only have a couple on each side in on it, You don't need all players or coaches... it would only take one person to draw a flag. You gotta understand I'm just up for debate about it....I could care less if it is scripted or not, I'm still watching regardless. It is funny to me how incredibly angry people get though if you want to discuss the topic (not syaing you, just people in general).... Like Just for a few games in your mind go into the game knowing where the house stands and pretend its scripted if you don't think it is...and you'll start to really question things. As a wrestling fan my whole life I see how the stories play out, as there are stories being played out in football as well... Look at Division/standings games and what teams need to climb up or stay down to make other future games worth watching. Now broncos are still worth watching a few more weeks, and the AFC east is all with in game of each other, making next week huge for Bills vs jets and Dolphins.. especially with aaron rodgers talking about coming back out to play dec. Its about making people want to tune in. for the record i took some back up broncos bets this game just becaus eof how much money was on the bills.

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Quote (BillsMafia @ Nov 14 2023 06:03am)
Lol I have been saying it is possible to only have a couple on each side in on it, You don't need all players or coaches... it would only take one person to draw a flag. You gotta understand I'm just up for debate about it....I could care less if it is scripted or not, I'm still watching regardless. It is funny to me how incredibly angry people get though if you want to discuss the topic (not syaing you, just people in general).... Like Just for a few games in your mind go into the game knowing where the house stands and pretend its scripted if you don't think it is...and you'll start to really question things. As a wrestling fan my whole life I see how the stories play out, as there are stories being played out in football as well... Look at Division/standings games and what teams need to climb up or stay down to make other future games worth watching. Now broncos are still worth watching a few more weeks, and the AFC east is all with in game of each other, making next week huge for Bills vs jets and Dolphins.. especially with aaron rodgers talking about coming back out to play dec. Its about making people want to tune in. for the record i took some back up broncos bets this game just becaus eof how much money was on the bills.


Yeah I'm not angry at anyone's opinion I find it funny some will say it's because of refs. Some say it's a top down conspiracy.

IMO if one or two players consistently causes game ruining flags coaches would bench em/cut em. Perfect example of 12 men on the field. Defensive captain for special teams is suppose to count prior to the kick... you guys didn't have time since it was hurry up clock running. I chalk that up to bad coaching/bad luck.


The PI was questionable I agree with that but he missed the field goal had your team not caused a blunder... you win..

You didn't catch the falcons game Sunday did you?

Now that seem scripted lmao but I know as a falcons fan my team is just complete ass.
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Nov 14 2023 08:14am
I'm casual fan, watched that whole game last night and was laughing my ass off by the end of the game.
I couldn't believe the way it played out, why it played out that way and what was happening before my eyes.
Embarrassing look for both clubs :rofl:
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Nov 14 2023 08:17am
Quote (BearGri11z @ Nov 14 2023 08:07am)
Yeah I'm not angry at anyone's opinion I find it funny some will say it's because of refs. Some say it's a top down conspiracy.

IMO if one or two players consistently causes game ruining flags coaches would bench em/cut em. Perfect example of 12 men on the field. Defensive captain for special teams is suppose to count prior to the kick... you guys didn't have time since it was hurry up clock running. I chalk that up to bad coaching/bad luck.


The PI was questionable I agree with that but he missed the field goal had your team not caused a blunder... you win..

You didn't catch the falcons game Sunday did you?

Now that seem scripted lmao but I know as a falcons fan my team is just complete ass.


I'm mainly just saying IT Could only take a few. IT could only take the refs. IT could all be choreographed by everyone. Putting on a show with 60+ people isn't as hard as most people make it seem (Broadway shows, operas, ballerinas, dancers for pop artist, etc do it all the time). Personally, What I actually think is anyone with a high enough contract/payday is in on it with the refs. With NDA contracts ready to sue you into oblivion if you ever talked (hell even the not so rich contracts wouldn't talk in risk of being sued into poverty. Obviously, you would alternate key guys pulling flags, or doing them early in games etc to push forward the thought of...hey that wasn't a game deciding flag so no one really looks into it. Stupid flags etc refs taking points away throughout the game to ultimately get the outcome vegas/nfl wants. Plus those same guys commiting flags are bound to make amazing plays too every game. I'm sure the whole game isn't scripted, it needs to be played at least 50%-75% so the obvious rigging isn't so obvious. But hey a rookie catches this for a winning td or a miracle play etc....flag it., someone else is holding boom that gets called back, etc. it's def. more noticeable when the playoffs start coming into play. Last night felt set up for the broncos to win (i knew 100% the -7.5 spread was absolutely not getting covered at the least), especially with that PI...Perhaps the 12th man wasn't supposed to be there and Vegasgot a lucky call.. and didn't have to throw another for holding/false start/ etc maybe not. But I do know going forward, I'm not betting with my heart anymore and betting with the house.

The fact remains the nfl has been classified as Sports Entertainment in court, and can legally rig games if they want for higher ratings etc.
and that they use AI to make the schedule etc....that alone, like I said can influence what teams make it to the post season by spoon feeding certain teams. If the Vegas AI is always so accurate on the spreads being covered... how would the NFLS not be accurate in playing out the entire season without minor inconveniences.

This post was edited by BillsMafia on Nov 14 2023 08:38am
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Nov 14 2023 08:44am
Aside from generally shitty coaching this year, roster management is looking even worse.

In 2024, Von Miller, Tre White and Dawson Knox represent 21% of the cap.

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Nov 14 2023 08:51am
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Aside from generally shitty coaching this year, roster management is looking even worse.

In 2024, Von Miller, Tre White and Dawson Knox represent 21% of the cap.


Trust the process bro. lmao. But yeah the legit side of the Bills Organization has def. deteriorated as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats fire Bill Belichick, the new stadium gets built and Bill's the new Bills HC and thats how we get our ring. lol Hell we hated Rex Ryan for years and that dude came over to suck.
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Nov 14 2023 09:02am
Quote (BillsMafia @ Nov 14 2023 09:51am)
Trust the process bro. lmao. But yeah the legit side of the Bills Organization has def. deteriorated as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats fire Bill Belichick, the new stadium gets built and Bill's the new Bills HC and thats how we get our ring. lol Hell we hated Rex Ryan for years and that dude came over to suck.


They're squandering Allen's prime years. Knox will probably come back and contribute, although dude also has brick hands and is not as dependable as he should be. White is done being a starter IMO, a corner that's like 30 ain't coming back from torn Achilles . Von Miller is too old/injured and will also only contribute minimally.

All the players I mentioned have contracts that expire in 2026-2027, so you basically will have ~20% dead-ish cap for the next 2-3 years.

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