Quote (BearGri11z @ 11 Nov 2023 09:33)

reaching with the water boys... lel

you know each front office has 150+ employees in legal/marketing/ect who all have family they go home to? someone would have physical proof of a script. that's the point i'm making, and someone would have shown it by now.


everyone keep blaming vegas/oddsmakers but its bettors who move lines... oddsmakers set opening lines.

your blaming the refs/NY (NFL employees) controlling the outcome of a game....

so in your example, ref gets the call from NY to throw a ghost roughing the passer. gives offense 15 yards and a 1st down... the players still have to make said plays to "cover" the spread. seems like players would have to be in on it on BOTH sides of the ball, which in turn coaches would have to be in on it too. you cant pick and choose who you think is in on it because at the end of the day the players either make the plays to cover/win or they dont. refs cant give points to teams but they can put them in a better position. they still have to execute.


can refs butcher calls? YEP
is it some conspiracy to steal money from the squares?
doubtful. too many moving parts and your giving them way to much credit.

Quote (RiCCAY @ Nov 11 2023 09:06am)

For me its

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Lose interpretation of ambiguous rules with high impact. Offensive/defensive holding calls/no calls. "Roughing the passer" on a legit sack extending a drive. The holding call that got the Chiefs a first down to wrap up the super bowl. The tuck rule OBVIOUSLY. These are the kinds of things that can really swing a game in one teams favor. If someone felt so inclined to ensure a game will arrive at a certain outcome, this would be the way to do it

Not to mention the players/teams that shill for NFL products (Josh Allen with nfl redzone) or shill for NFL sponsors (the entire KC team for state farm). Of course you'd want to keep these guys looking good and winning.

Quote (Plaguelord @ Nov 11 2023 09:03am)

Damn now I believe it's real again
What an emotional rollercoaster

Quote (BearGri11z @ Nov 11 2023 09:33am)

reaching with the water boys... lel

you know each front office has 150+ employees in legal/marketing/ect who all have family they go home to? someone would have physical proof of a script. that's the point i'm making, and someone would have shown it by now.


everyone keep blaming vegas/oddsmakers but its bettors who move lines... oddsmakers set opening lines.

your blaming the refs/NY (NFL employees) controlling the outcome of a game....

so in your example, ref gets the call from NY to throw a ghost roughing the passer. gives offense 15 yards and a 1st down... the players still have to make said plays to "cover" the spread. seems like players would have to be in on it on BOTH sides of the ball, which in turn coaches would have to be in on it too. you cant pick and choose who you think is in on it because at the end of the day the players either make the plays to cover/win or they dont. refs cant give points to teams but they can put them in a better position. they still have to execute.


can refs butcher calls? YEP
is it some conspiracy to steal money from the squares?
doubtful. too many moving parts and your giving them way to much credit.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 11 2023 09:43am)

I still don't understand why you insist the circle has to be that large. Why would dozens of people from a team's front office have to be in the loop? I genuinely think coaches, players, vast majority of league participants prepare, play genuinely and whatever they do is with integrity.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 11 2023 09:43am)

I don't think there's some script, but if there were any sort of shenanigans it would be more like, hey we need X team to win or X team to cover, therefore make it happen whether it happens organically or the refs have to call some soft ass hold with a few minutes left on 3rd and 15 to extend a drive it doesn't really matter, what matters is that outcome is achieved. Which is not difficult to do in the modern NFL because you literally have game changing calls/non calls weekly, many of them things like pass interference, holding or w.e. that are basically happening like every play to varying degrees so whenever you need to extend or stall a drive you always can.

Quote (BearGri11z @ Nov 11 2023 11:13am)

follow along.

you keep blaming refs? refs DONT give teams points for flags. players have to execute the drive......... so players would have to be in on it to rig it.

if players are in on it it would have to be the WHOLE roster.... you cant just tell the main 11-14 guys that plan on starting on offense or defense because you cant predict injury. ( on top of the dozens of defense packages based on offense packages)

if all the players are in on it the coaches would have to be too...

who hires coaches? just the owner of the franchise? nope its a multilayered hire. so the front office would have to know its all rigged.

can you explain in a senario where only a player or two would need to the final outcome of the game and force that?

ok so you are still just rambling about refs throwing flags and giving free yards but not explaining how that equates to points EVERY time.
points are NOT a guarantee in the nfl.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 11 2023 10:24am)

Flags easily can either put or remove a team from a position of scoring points, that's the point. If you are facing a low probability conversion 3rd and long and the ref calls some 1st down yielding penalty it literally gives that team a possession which potentially can lead to 3/7 points.

If a ref gives you another 4 chances with one of these calls to put your kicker in a position to kick a 40 yard game winning fg that's literally game changing. . The ref doesn't have to score the points just like a boxing judge who doesn't call a fight fairly doesn't have to throw punches, he just has to put his hand on the scale ever so slightly to change an outcome.

Quote (BearGri11z @ Nov 11 2023 11:36am)

i fully agree refs can put a team BEHIND the sticks or give them an advantage.
doesnt give them that 3/6 points or the extra point or the two point conversion... its NOT a guarantee, rigging a game is to have a predetermined outcome... I really don't know how much more simpler I can explain it to you

so now your claiming majority of games are decided by 3 points or less?

or are you claiming the spreads to cover are decided by 3 points?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 11 2023 10:39am)

I never claimed the bolded, read more carefully, I gave the FG point as an example.

It's not a guarantee but when you do it a few times throughout the game they can absolutely put a team in a position to win.

Quote (BearGri11z @ Nov 11 2023 08:46am)

ok well that example applied to 1 game last week....

again title of the thread is "NFL Is RIGGED"

rigged means predetermined outcome... not "but when you throw some flags once in awhile a competent enough team takes advantage of it"