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Oct 28 2014 07:24pm
Quote (Hako @ Oct 28 2014 07:54pm)
It's so hard to justify taking a CB THAT high in the 1st round though. Especially considering it looks like we hit gold on one in the 7th round of the 2013 draft. Demetrius McCray has looked everything like the real deal this year. It's his 2nd year in the league and he gets better every game.

Add onto the fact that we have Aaron Colvin coming off IR, who could get some playing time this season after recovering from his ACL tear at the Senior Bowl. We got him in the 4th round, and pre injury he could have went late 1st-early 2nd.


I don't watch the Jags at all but thinking of draft season I am going off what I see on the stat sheet, and the Jags are at the bottom spetrum of defense which you keep praising these players but you are still 25th in the league in D, so where does your weakness come from? You guys have a pretty high 3rd down % meaning you can't get off the field so is your problem mainly in the backfield? If so I agree there isn't a safety or CB this year that warrents a pick that high either (I didn't even think Justin Gilbert was worth that high of a draft pick last year either) but even if the back field is the major problem having an elite pass rushing front can mask some poor play by the DBs so adding more talent might not be a bad idea. I am just trying to see their pick because it could be an OT as well idk how Joekel has been playing I haven't heard he has been playing good but it is raelly early to give up on a #2 pick however Peat is a stud.

I am with you and randy though I think they may try to trade back but I don't know if the value they would be wanting is really there as I doubt any team will give a kings ransom for Winston and Marcus will be going #1 overall from a team trading up so it comes down to if you believe the jags pick #1 or not. No other player in my mind this draft in the top end is worth giving up multiple first round picks for but that is just me
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Oct 28 2014 07:36pm
Quote (Hako @ Oct 28 2014 05:54pm)
It's so hard to justify taking a CB THAT high in the 1st round though. Especially considering it looks like we hit gold on one in the 7th round of the 2013 draft. Demetrius McCray has looked everything like the real deal this year. It's his 2nd year in the league and he gets better every game.

Add onto the fact that we have Aaron Colvin coming off IR, who could get some playing time this season after recovering from his ACL tear at the Senior Bowl. We got him in the 4th round, and pre injury he could have went late 1st-early 2nd.


I forgot you guys had Colvin, yeah that was a great move by you guys. It will be interesting to see how you guys draft, your team isn't really bad just young and inexperienced.
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Oct 28 2014 07:51pm
Quote (Randolph @ Oct 28 2014 06:36pm)
I forgot you guys had Colvin, yeah that was a great move by you guys.  It will be interesting to see how you guys draft, your team isn't really bad just young and inexperienced.


Very young and inexperienced. Half the team is rookie and 2nd year players.

Quote (4killer7 @ Oct 28 2014 06:24pm)
I don't watch the Jags at all but thinking of draft season I am going off what I see on the stat sheet, and the Jags are at the bottom spetrum of defense which you keep praising these players but you are still 25th in the league in D, so where does your weakness come from? You guys have a pretty high 3rd down % meaning you can't get off the field so is your problem mainly in the backfield? If so I agree there isn't a safety or CB this year that warrents a pick that high either (I didn't even think Justin Gilbert was worth that high of a draft pick last year either) but even if the back field is the major problem having an elite pass rushing front can mask some poor play by the DBs so adding more talent might not be a bad idea.  I am just trying to see their pick because it could be an OT as well idk how Joekel has been playing I haven't heard he has been playing good but it is raelly early to give up on a #2 pick however Peat is a stud.

I am with you and randy though I think they may try to trade back but I don't know if the value they would be wanting is really there as I doubt any team will give a kings ransom for Winston  and Marcus will be going #1 overall from a team trading up  so it comes down to if you believe the jags pick #1 or not. No other player in my mind this draft in the top end is worth giving up multiple first round picks for but that is just me


And that's why box scores aren't that great to look at, because they only tell 1/4 of the story, if even that much.

The first 3 games skew the stats big time. If you want an actual representation of our Defense, then look at the first 2/3's of the Chargers game and beyond. Our Defense hasn't given up more than 14 points in the past 4 games.

Our weakness comes from our Offense. Starting a bunch of rookies on Offense and Bortles gifting teams with pick sixes.
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Oct 28 2014 08:00pm
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Very young and inexperienced. Half the team is rookie and 2nd year players.



And that's why box scores aren't that great to look at, because they only tell 1/4 of the story, if even that much.

The first 3 games skew the stats big time. If you want an actual representation of our Defense, then look at the first 2/3's of the Chargers game and beyond. Our Defense hasn't given up more than 14 points in the past 4 games.

Our weakness comes from our Offense. Starting a bunch of rookies on Offense and Bortles gifting teams with pick sixes.


Ya just now noticed :D I don't know much about the Jags aside from who you recently drafted I usually do more towards the end of the season where all of this "hypothetical" how things will play out talk dies down because it was played out haha. So ok if you believe the jags focus on offense who do you believe they turn to? QB is obviously aside there really isn't a WR worth a top 5 pick this year like sammy then you turn to the OLINE or even RB but there isn't a RB worth that high of a pick. So do you really believe they give up on Joekel this early? Idk your RT but you are saying he has played solid so that means they would have to cut ties with one and I have heard Joekel hasn't been living up to his expectation but it might be early to give up on a guy this early. But Peat is a stud so it is possible they see it as an upgrade and go for it
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Oct 28 2014 08:19pm
Quote (4killer7 @ Oct 28 2014 07:00pm)
Ya just now noticed :D  I don't know much about the Jags aside from who you recently drafted I usually do more towards the end of the season where all of this "hypothetical" how things will play out talk dies down because it was played out haha. So ok if you believe the jags focus on offense who do you believe they turn to? QB is obviously aside  there really isn't a WR worth a top 5 pick this year like sammy then you turn to the OLINE or even RB  but there isn't a RB worth that high of a pick. So do you really believe they give up on Joekel this early? Idk your RT but you are saying he has played solid so that means they would have to cut ties with one and I have heard Joekel hasn't been living up to his expectation but it might be early to give up on a guy this early. But Peat is a stud so it is possible they see it as an upgrade and go for it


It hard to say we'll focus on Offense this draft, because we just went Offensive heavy in this past draft. We drafted a QB, 2 WR, RG, C and a RB. The RG (Brandon Linder) has been starting from day 1, the C (Luke Bowanko) has started since game 2 or 3. 1 of the WRs (Allen Robinson has started from game 1 after missing the entire preseason) and we have an UDFA rookie WR (Allen Hurns) who has also started a couple games early this season when Shorts was out. That makes 3 rookie WRs (Marqise Lee being the other) we have on this team, so I don't see us going WR early.

RB looks set with Denard Robinson (2nd year) and Storm Johnson (rookie draft pick).

Joeckel is only in his 2nd year, after only playing 5 games his rookie season. 4 of games he played RT, before switch over to LT in game 5. He broke his ankle at the start of the 2nd qtr in that game and was done for the year. Austin Pasztor is a 3rd year player at RT. Started at RT last year when Joeckel moved to LT. Zane Beadles is the old man on the OL at LG and he's in his 5th year.

We started four 2nd year players in the Secondary this past week. All of which were drafted in 2013. Cyprien (2nd) and Josh Evans (6th) at Safety. McCray (7th) and Gratz (3rd) at CB. Our vet CB Alan Ball is out with a biceps injury. Time table is unknown, otherwise we'd be starting 3 of the 2nd year players in the Secondary.

LB is our weakest position group on Defense and it took a hit when Poz was lost for the season.
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Oct 28 2014 08:23pm
Man it would be sick to see Shane on the Raiders, but ultimately I think we will trade down.
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Oct 28 2014 08:44pm
It's halfway through the season and you've done 7 mock drafts??

Ok :rolleyes:
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Oct 28 2014 08:53pm
Quote (TeaBaggery @ Oct 29 2014 02:44am)
It's halfway through the season and you've done 7 mock drafts??

Ok  :rolleyes:



I actually VERY much like what he does, I actually look forward to these, very insightful.
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Oct 28 2014 09:16pm
Quote (Hako @ Oct 28 2014 08:51pm)
Very young and inexperienced. Half the team is rookie and 2nd year players.



And that's why box scores aren't that great to look at, because they only tell 1/4 of the story, if even that much.

The first 3 games skew the stats big time. If you want an actual representation of our Defense, then look at the first 2/3's of the Chargers game and beyond. Our Defense hasn't given up more than 14 points in the past 4 games.

Our weakness comes from our Offense. Starting a bunch of rookies on Offense and Bortles gifting teams with pick sixes.


I feel ya, young team will take some time to gel that is where the Vikes are at right now (#2 youngest team woot). So then ya you are looking at Shane Ray who I have to disagree with randy I don't believe he is going #1, I can see top 5 but I don't see #1 so he would be a likely canidate or Gregory. The rest are strickly DT or DE you could say Oakman but I think he is a little over-hyped. There are no MLBs who I think are really first round material, maybe a late first round but no real studs this year which sucks because the vikings could use one.
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Oct 28 2014 10:16pm
Quote (4killer7 @ Oct 28 2014 08:16pm)
I feel ya,  young team will take some time to gel  that is where the Vikes are at right now (#2 youngest team woot). So then ya you are looking at Shane Ray who I have to disagree with randy I don't believe he is going #1, I can see top 5 but I don't see #1 so he would be a likely canidate or Gregory. The rest are strickly DT or DE  you could say Oakman but I think he is a little over-hyped. There are no MLBs who I think are really first round material,  maybe a late first round but no real studs this year which sucks because the vikings could use one.


The Jags were the 2nd youngest team in the league behind the Rams, and that was before Bortles started playing. We've only gotten younger since then.

Honestly at this point, if we can't trade down and stay with a high top 5 pick (barring Gregory or Ray are still on the board), our LEO position should be where we go. Andre Branch will be in his last year of his contract next season and Clemons will be 33 years old. There's going to be a need at the position in a year or two and they might just jump on it this draft.

There's no way a MLB would go top 10, so there's not really any point in even thinking about that.
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