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Quote (Jayred @ Dec 4 2023 01:56pm)
Bank roll management as others said,

Your goal is to be small profit over time,

Those that go for quick easy hit for larger are the ones who tilt and make bad decisions.

Over the span of time you’ll have to appreciate any bad officiating that actually helps you out also.
It all comes around and averages out

Frequency bias is only paying attention to bad beats/ bad officiating against you,
Next time be appreciative whenever you have a lucky bet pull through or when refs help you out because it does happen.
As said before bet smaller so your bets dont stress you out and tilt you.
Goal is long term betting at a non stressful unit small losses and small wins over time hopefully if you’re smart you’ll end up in the positive


Yeah, seems like the "best" or most profitable bettors go for line disparity and consistent unit sizing
Most people gambling don't have that in them, they have an idea as who they want to win & why, then bet too many units

Quote (straightedgerevenge @ Dec 4 2023 02:52pm)
Dont gamble what you can’t afford.
I suck ass at gambling and I can tell you that those $5 and $10 bets add up if you dont win.


That's true it can add up, if you're a casual bettor I find those $5 and $10 plays on a 4-8 leg Parlay can be fun when you hit them
Kinda like coffee/lunch money, you don't miss it and aren't butt hurt over losing a small amount of $

This post was edited by MadMardi on Dec 4 2023 04:31pm
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Quote (MadMardi @ Dec 4 2023 04:30pm)
Yeah, seems like the "best" or most profitable bettors go for line disparity and consistent unit sizing
Most people gambling don't have that in them, they have an idea as who they want to win & why, then bet too many units



That's true it can add up, if you're a casual bettor I find those $5 and $10 plays on a 4-8 leg Parlay can be fun when you hit them
Kinda like coffee/lunch money, you don't miss it and aren't butt hurt over losing a small amount of $


Yup!

Alot of the best gamblers get lines before the lines move out of favor.
They actually get an edge over casual bettors.
Following injury news etc,
For example Panthers opened at +5.5-6 against the Bucs.
It closer around +3-4 instead. And guess what spread covered? Lol
Also to buy points it would be -145 instead of just -105 juice from catching the line early.

Stay away from parlays /teasers — they are losing bets in the long term so don’t consistently bet them.
Every so often you can get a few wins from them but the odds are way against you
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Dec 4 2023 04:59pm
I think i saw a stat that at -105 to -110 juice
You’d have to hit 56-58% of your bets to be profitable

Think about that getting about 6/10 spread betting / over under betting correct day after day just to make that little profit


If you bet on more than -110 juice imagine your % win ratio
Would have to be 8-9/10 bets which is extremely difficult even on Chiefs ML bets where random shit goes wrong

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Quote (MadMardi @ Dec 4 2023 05:30pm)
Yeah, seems like the "best" or most profitable bettors go for line disparity and consistent unit sizing
Most people gambling don't have that in them, they have an idea as who they want to win & why, then bet too many units



That's true it can add up, if you're a casual bettor I find those $5 and $10 plays on a 4-8 leg Parlay can be fun when you hit them
Kinda like coffee/lunch money, you don't miss it and aren't butt hurt over losing a small amount of $


I mean I don’t like losing money and I am definitely down atleast a grand this football season from $5-$10 bets lmfao
I go for 8+ leggers

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Dec 4 2023 05:52pm
Quote (Jayred @ Dec 4 2023 05:59pm)
I think i saw a stat that at -105 to -110 juice
You’d have to hit 56-58% of your bets to be profitable

Think about that getting about 6/10 spread betting / over under betting correct day after day just to make that little profit


If you bet on more than -110 juice imagine your % win ratio
Would have to be 8-9/10 bets which is extremely difficult even on Chiefs ML bets where random shit goes wrong


At -110, 52.38% is break even
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Quote (Megatroniks @ Dec 4 2023 08:40am)
Hey community, I wanted to get yalls take on how gamblers can work through their emotions when officials are throwing bad flags. Or none at all. Example the Nixon pass interference last night on MVZ at the end.

And if any of you quit gambling because of what some people call 'scripted' football.

I am a jsp gambler only with a few coins so was wondering from some of you who have been sportsbookin for years/experience


quite the opposite
i gamble even more because it's scripted
you just have to know the script
the powers that be want to push J-Love as the packers solution
they want certain quarterbacks with certain attributes to succeed
they want to set up a playoff situation that favors certain teams
it takes some experience but it becomes easy to predict things like this
when you study and watch patterns, you too can profit off the scripted fixed rigged garbage ball bread and circuses
you can try this at home
you can be just like me :rolleyes:



for example, you can think of how the game might go, how each team might win, and put together parlays based around potential outcomes like this. i.e. "if green bay wins this game it would have to be behind jordan love's arm, and the chiefs will have to underperform" and all of a sudden you have a 15-1 (boosted to 22.5-1) parlay without much risk. you can also do one like this for the chiefs to cover your ass. you dont win every time but you need to think of the games as what will be exciting for the viewer, what will be good for the league, good for tv ratings, good for discussion on sports talk shows, etc, rather than which team is the best / which team is the worst. even the best teams get scripted to lose a game now and then to help casinos recover losses from other situations (if too many favorites win, they script an underdog to make money back, especially something like the chiefs who many people anchor'd in their parlay).

also you have corrupt refs who have gambling addictions reffing games, lol. see: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102421853&f=202

Quote (Lakeshow906 @ Dec 4 2023 06:52pm)
At -110, 52.38% is break even


PointsBet often will do a PowerHour boost of -110 to +100.
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Quote (Horadric_Pube @ Dec 4 2023 09:15am)
Figure out your units, don’t cash out early and bet 1 unit per game. It should be a slow grind up not taking your entire bankroll and putting it on one bet.

I only bet with fg now because I can’t do what I stated above :bonk:


Cashing out early can be extremely profitable. You need to look at it like selling a stock when it's high. Mid-game Cashout has been a significant percentage of my earnings. You just need to know when to take the money and run.
For example:

As soon as Cleveland missed that extra point, I could see the writing on the wall. Flacco had been playing too good the whole day, and it was fine to bring things back down to earth. Sure enough, next drive, interception, and they lost 36-19. So you cash out at 10-1. Yes, turning $25 into $250 isnt as good as turning it into $425, but it's a hell of a lot better than turning it into $0.

Quote (Jayred @ Dec 4 2023 05:57pm)
Yup!

Alot of the best gamblers get lines before the lines move out of favor.
They actually get an edge over casual bettors.
Following injury news etc,
For example Panthers opened at +5.5-6 against the Bucs.
It closer around +3-4 instead. And guess what spread covered? Lol
Also to buy points it would be -145 instead of just -105 juice from catching the line early.

Stay away from parlays /teasers — they are losing bets in the long term so don’t consistently bet them.
Every so often you can get a few wins from them but the odds are way against you


Agreed that betting early can get you better spreads. Sometimes it's game-changing (Recent example, Bills +3.5 vs Eagles instead of +3 or +2.5)

Quote (straightedgerevenge @ Dec 4 2023 04:52pm)
Dont gamble what you can’t afford.
I suck ass at gambling and I can tell you that those $5 and $10 bets add up if you dont win.


This is very true. #1 rule is to not bet more than what you're willing to lose.
Sometimes it's better to make one bigger bet you're more confident about than twenty $5 longshots that all lose, lol.
Quote (MildSambal @ Dec 4 2023 04:01pm)
yep its like Blackjack, people get pissed when others at the table misplay a hand but its equally likely to help you as it is to hurt you


Helps even more in Poker ;)
Quote (BillsMafia @ Dec 4 2023 02:16pm)
With real money, I much prefer live betting... like when you see the og spread of a fav that was -7 but at halftime that same team is now +3, etc... or when you see a team that was like like +3 shoot up to +20 etc... I'll usually drop a few dollars. Too many games end in the og vegas spreads, so usually live betting like that I've had better luck. I like betting around the half/ closer to end of 3rd quarter (to give the spread odds time to develop)


Agreed 100%. Live / Halftime spreads can really help you get favorable situations.
Quote (Jayred @ Dec 4 2023 03:56pm)
Bank roll management as others said,

Your goal is to be small profit over time,

Those that go for quick easy hit for larger are the ones who tilt and make bad decisions.

Over the span of time you’ll have to appreciate any bad officiating that actually helps you out also.
It all comes around and averages out

Frequency bias is only paying attention to bad beats/ bad officiating against you,
Next time be appreciative whenever you have a lucky bet pull through or when refs help you out because it does happen.
As said before bet smaller so your bets dont stress you out and tilt you.
Goal is long term betting at a non stressful unit small losses and small wins over time hopefully if you’re smart you’ll end up in the positive


Very very good advice. A successful week, month, season is much more important than one good bet. Consistency is key, and you have to stick to your method if you know it works rather than change it up after a few losses. This is hard to do, especially in poker, because every time, even if you're playing correctly, you are losing real money until it starts going in your favor. But don't be that guy who gives up right before he strikes gold. But never put all your eggs in one basket. There is always another game, another week (at least until there isn't.)

I would suggest treating it like a job. You need spreadsheets, preparation. Data analysis.
This was a relatively simple transition for me because I am a horseracing handicapper, so I am used to looking at past performances and crunching numbers and trying to come up with good methods.

Anyway, I feel like I am rambling - but suffice to say, "bet with your head, not over it" is not just some stupid catchphrase on these commercials, it's a real approach. And remember most people don't win. So don't be like most people.
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Quote (Falcon_A @ Dec 4 2023 09:00pm)
Cashing out early can be extremely profitable. You need to look at it like selling a stock when it's high. Mid-game Cashout has been a significant percentage of my earnings. You just need to know when to take the money and run.
For example:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/838165901093634108/1181040465429143602/Screenshot_20231203-190455.png
As soon as Cleveland missed that extra point, I could see the writing on the wall. Flacco had been playing too good the whole day, and it was fine to bring things back down to earth. Sure enough, next drive, interception, and they lost 36-19. So you cash out at 10-1. Yes, turning $25 into $250 isnt as good as turning it into $425, but it's a hell of a lot better than turning it into $0.



Agreed that betting early can get you better spreads. Sometimes it's game-changing (Recent example, Bills +3.5 vs Eagles instead of +3 or +2.5)



This is very true. #1 rule is to not bet more than what you're willing to lose.
Sometimes it's better to make one bigger bet you're more confident about than twenty $5 longshots that all lose, lol.


Helps even more in Poker ;)


Agreed 100%. Live / Halftime spreads can really help you get favorable situations.


Very very good advice. A successful week, month, season is much more important than one good bet. Consistency is key, and you have to stick to your method if you know it works rather than change it up after a few losses. This is hard to do, especially in poker, because every time, even if you're playing correctly, you are losing real money until it starts going in your favor. But don't be that guy who gives up right before he strikes gold. But never put all your eggs in one basket. There is always another game, another week (at least until there isn't.)

I would suggest treating it like a job. You need spreadsheets, preparation. Data analysis.
This was a relatively simple transition for me because I am a horseracing handicapper, so I am used to looking at past performances and crunching numbers and trying to come up with good methods.

Anyway, I feel like I am rambling - but suffice to say, "bet with your head, not over it" is not just some stupid catchphrase on these commercials, it's a real approach. And remember most people don't win. So don't be like most people.


Yup

Don't be results oriented--- stick to the process and you'll win over the long-term
you can catch the line early beat the line movement, and you can still lose the bet.

You'll notice some games freak pick 6's punt fumbles, etc ruin the spread, but otherwise you would've covered. This is the right read, you can't cap abnormalities / random events.
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Quote (MildSambal @ Dec 4 2023 03:10pm)
Gambling is an industry separate from execs that make their money based on TV ratings and ticket sales etc. Those execs definitely make deals with advertisers that wanna throw gambling in your face 50 times during the course of a game. Let’s also not be fooled by the notion that execs feel as tho they “have their money and that’s enough” lmao that is utterly ridiculous


I never said "that's enough". But would you risk all of your money doing something illegal just to win a little bit more?

But you're bringing up the Donaghy stuff and now the gambling advertisements during sports, I'll remind you those 2 things didn't coexist at the same time.
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