You're agreeing with me yet I am dumb and delusional. do you not understand that? See bold and underlined text.

He’s mid…so like 15-20 range. He played bottom 5, due to the torn labrum he played thru all year. It’s really not rocket science man…a healthy browns and ravens qb situation and the bengals wouldn’t have won the afc north.



I’m really struggling with what’s confounding you

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I think Taylor is fine honestly. The fact that the Bengals were one of the least penalized teams in football less than a few years removed from one of the most is a fair indicator for me considering a fair amount of their untimely losses in the past were due to some boneheaded penalties. In my opinion the Steelers are done for a bit, their offensive line is too poor for a rookie to thrive under. The Raven’s I feel confident that Lamar’s ceiling has been realized. The browns have the pieces but not the mentality or quarterback. The bengals are up, the Steelers are down, the ravens and browns are stagnant.

Regardless of how you feel ravens were 8-3 prior to Lamar’s injury with significant injuries in the secondary. There isn’t a snowballs chance in hell that team goes 0-6 with one of the best Win rate qbs in nfl history. Just don’t kid yourself on that.


The browns will be better almost by default, Baker got surgery, and if he comes out and sucks he will be quickly replaced. The browns offense only needs competetent qb play to be successful and they have an emerging defense. And they also have a pass rush that can destroy the bengals (burrow is 0-3 all time vs Cleveland btw)


Tomlin has never had a season below .500, but they did get dominated by the bengals this year, so I kinda see your point but still doubt they will completely fade into irrelevancy.

It was a magical run by cinci and I really do hope they win the SB but they won’t be replicating this level of success without significant roster upgrades.

Bingo

Plus none of the other three teams have burrow. One thing that cannot be replaced. You can win consistently with a game manager but unless you’ve got a qb that can go above and beyond it doesn’t work. Championships are built on outstanding qb play.

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I think the browns can win on the backs of Chubb and Hunt with that offensive line and defense but their play calling is atrocious at times. Throwing it 30+ times with Baker won’t ever amount to much. I also think they’re a bit over reactionary when the opposition is up 1-2 scores and they get away from running the ball. If you took the eagles play calling and used it with the Browns it’s a different game because the Browns closest match the bengals as far as talent. Stefanski is the worst coach in the division if you ask me.

The bengals won the division by half a game. With the other 2 teams 2 games back with major injuries. Their 13 pt win differential is the lowest ever by a Super Bowl team who played 3 games to get there.



Again, happy for the bengals and their fans, and I think they can win. But that team would be a 2 win roster without burrow. And QBs alone cannot be considered a dynasty

I think you’re disregarding the talent at wide receiver when the ability to get those receivers the ball is removed. the quality of a apt quarterback increases or meets the quality of the wide receiver position. Would my boy Tae be able to match Hopkins on an equal playing field and out duel him? As much as I love my boy, I’m not stupid, Hopkins is so open so often and even when covered will win most of the time that he performs with quarterbacks with a quarter the skill of someone like Rodgers. The bengals are massively talented, yes, but their highest quality is the receivers. If you remove the ability to get them the ball consistently its going to vastly effect the outcome of games. This is why the quarterback position is so important, it directly affects the output of over 3-4 other positions and their ability.

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I think Stefanski is doing wonders with culture and respectability. Very similar to Zac Taylor. They are culture changers. I just think they put all of their eggs in the mayfield basket and its going to put them right back down if they aren't careful.



You're also disregarding the fact that the culture established by the HC and QB (who SHOULD be a leader not just a manager) effects both defense and special teams as well. The bengals defense has been absolute rock solid in the second half after adjustments. That takes the players wanting to win badly enough as well as the coaches to swallow pride and say hey this isn't working this game. Maybe lets do this the second half. You can see clearly how they adjust not only in the second half but its almost by series in the late game. Kansas City wasnt defeated twice just because of joe burrow, but he had a lot to do with it. Those guys WANT to be their best with him. Its like having a boss you really respect. Bring your a-game.

You can cry injury this and injury that but you're also forgetting that Burrow tore his ACL just over a year ago. Guys generally don't have good years immediately following something like that.