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Apr 26 2013 06:55am
Quote (EViLDeeDz @ Apr 25 2013 11:21pm)
Not happy with the pick..


Same here. The guy is all power, and couldn't get sacks in college. I am scared of how little he could bring to our team. With the #5 pick you need two things: immediate impact and a non-risk pick. Although Ziggy MAY be able to bring immediate impact, he was definitely not a safe pick at #5. We could of tried to trade up a few spots and then take Warmack, or if nobody wanted to trade just take Milliner (or even Warmack). Both would of been smarted choices.

Quote (LetsG0Blue @ Apr 26 2013 06:35am)
We could be picking another defensive end in second... since Lawrence Jackson signed with the Vikings, it's coming a much clearer need than offensive line. If Damontre Moore or Magnus Hunt is sitting there when we pick we may just have to pull the trigger.

Edit: I didn't realize Menelik Watson is still available and Tank Carradine

Nevermind on Moore & Hunt

Edit: Teo is there too... good thing I fell asleep.


You could not be more wrong. Oline is the #1 problem on our team. We have a guy who hasn't started a game (Fox) and a guy who basically played as a blocking TE last year (Reiff). These alone are huge question marks. Not to mention we still have hole to fill. Oh, and what if someone (anyone) goes down next year? We have NO depth. Oline needs to be taken care of immediately.
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Apr 26 2013 07:18am
We need to protect stafford to give him some time, get someone good opposite Calvin, and offense should be set. We got the crazy african kid, hopefully he can be taught, because he is a raw physical talent from the tape I have seen. Hopefully today we take care of Stafford.
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Apr 26 2013 07:45am
Quote (Shroom2 @ Apr 26 2013 08:55am)
Same here.  The guy is all power, and couldn't get sacks in college.  I am scared of how little he could bring to our team.  With the #5 pick you need two things:  immediate impact and a non-risk pick.  Although Ziggy MAY be able to bring immediate impact, he was definitely not a safe pick at #5.  We could of tried to trade up a few spots and then take Warmack, or if nobody wanted to trade just take Milliner (or even Warmack).  Both would of been smarted choices.


Football fans are pretty typical when it comes too the draft….. we fail to look at ability. Instead we look at stats… we look at number of games played…. we look at experience. And in a vacuum these are all negatives…

However, the reason why he is so high is because they are looking at ability and how that ability would project into their system..
    I see a player that is around the football vs the run (that takes instinct)….
    I see rare physical ability size combo..
    I see a humble kid who doesn’t have the typical entitlement issues….
    I see a kid that learns fast (note how he responds to trickery and how he simply isn’t fooled)
    see a kids that many are saying is easy to coach…
    really really smart kid
And lets all pretend that we understand football at least a little bit when it comes too why he didn’t put up big numbers. Edge rushers typically put up your big numbers….. he wasn’t asked to be a edge player in college.

The Lions project him to play on the Edge because they believe that his movement skills will make him a BETTER edge rusher in the pros than a interior player in college (confirmed by what they saw in the Senior bowl when Lions staff asked him to play that role)

If you are looking at stats and a resume that list a number of games and defensive awards then you are missing the point…. ABILITY is the only thing that walks into your locker room.

I often believe Madden Video games give people the perspective that production = skill set. When the truth is skill set plus situation = production. Ansah wasn’t asked to function in a role that typically nets tons of stats…… and like any sport once he started playing you say that the light bulb went on.

So too me I don’t see raw. Raw too me is physical ability without instincts and skill sets (ability)…. I see this in Ansah and this is 100% why the Lions took him. Because they project that ability within their system which they think will = production. And I have to agree with them based on what I see on tape of his physical ability, instincts and how fast he has learned…..football isn’t rocket science some guys are just natural athletes and that is what I see.

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2013/4/26/4268872/2013-nfl-draft-ezekiel-ansah-lions

Quote (Shroom2 @ Apr 26 2013 08:55am)
You could not be more wrong.  Oline is the #1 problem on our team.  We have a guy who hasn't started a game (Fox) and a guy who basically played as a blocking TE last year (Reiff).  These alone are huge question marks.  Not to mention we still have hole to fill.  Oh, and what if someone (anyone) goes down next year?  We have NO depth.  Oline needs to be taken care of immediately.


Obviously didn't read my edit. Didn't see Watson still on the board.

Quote (Shroom2 @ Apr 26 2013 08:55am)
Same here.  The guy is all power, and couldn't get sacks in college.  I am scared of how little he could bring to our team.  With the #5 pick you need two things:  immediate impact and a non-risk pick.  Although Ziggy MAY be able to bring immediate impact, he was definitely not a safe pick at #5.  We could of tried to trade up a few spots and then take Warmack, or if nobody wanted to trade just take Milliner (or even Warmack).  Both would of been smarted choices.


Just what we need another injured player. Both of them could keep Jahvid Best company I suppose.

This post was edited by LetsG0Blue on Apr 26 2013 07:52am
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Apr 26 2013 09:46am
With the 36th overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft, the Detroit Lions select Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU


:lol:

Yolo, do it

Too much upside, potentially the best corner in the draft.
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Apr 26 2013 10:09am
That is the thing though. His skill set is NOT there, not to point that he should be a #5 pick. He is raw. He is power. And maybe, just maybe we can teach him technique. Hell, Bjoern Werner has better technique than him. I am not arguing that he is a beast, I am not arguing that he may be good. I am saying it is risky, he will take development and that he was not worth the number 5 pick.

Both Milliner and Warmack are closer to being ready to start in the nfl.

And if you want to rip into Milliner for being injury prone, then you are being ridiculous. He missed how many games? Oh... thats right. ONE. Just one game. He is going to be phenomenal and all the noise about his surgeries is ridiculous. One of them was for a god damn hernia... please, get real. And for the "serious injury" (labral tear) that has so little impact on a corner, it shouldn't even be a consideration.
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Apr 26 2013 01:18pm
Milliner: 5 surgeries, stonehands, played on elite defense. This guy isn't a sure thing, not to mention that CB depth in the draft this year is insane.
I would've been cool with Warmack

But look at what we did at the Senior Bowl when we got a chance to coach him. Don't look at his BYU days when he played DT, OLB, and DE. In one game in playing in the "Wide 9", look at that production. He is in good hands now with Jim Washburn. Ziggy could very be the best pick in this draft a few years down the road.

The kid weighs 275 lbs and runs a 4.63 40. He's 6'5" and has a 35" vert. He's an absolute freak and he is exactly what we need to complement Suh and Fairley.

I may be the only Lions fan that loves this pick. He was the best DE in the draft, and fills a huge need
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Apr 26 2013 01:28pm
Quote (rdeight8 @ Apr 26 2013 02:18pm)
Milliner: 5 surgeries, stonehands, played on elite defense. This guy isn't a sure thing, not to mention that CB depth in the draft this year is insane.
I would've been cool with Warmack

But look at what we did at the Senior Bowl when we got a chance to coach him. Don't look at his BYU days when he played DT, OLB, and DE. In one game in playing in the "Wide 9", look at that production. He is in good hands now with Jim Washburn. Ziggy could very be the best pick in this draft a few years down the road.

The kid weighs 275 lbs and runs a 4.63 40. He's 6'5" and has a 35" vert. He's an absolute freak and he is exactly what we need to complement Suh and Fairley.

I may be the only Lions fan that loves this pick. He was the best DE in the draft, and fills a huge need


He was not the best. He does have the highest ceiling... but he is not the current "best". Bjoern Werner is better right now.
The issue is that he IS a project. A 5th round pick should not be a project. We shouldn't have a discussion on how he needs to be trained and needs a few years.
Defensive end was also deep in this draft... we could of done better with the #5 pick.
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Apr 26 2013 05:23pm
really another corner are you serious
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Apr 26 2013 07:00pm
I love Ziggy and support him 100%, only time can tell but I agree with rdeight .
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Milliner: 5 surgeries, stonehands, played on elite defense. This guy isn't a sure thing, not to mention that CB depth in the draft this year is insane.
I would've been cool with Warmack

But look at what we did at the Senior Bowl when we got a chance to coach him. Don't look at his BYU days when he played DT, OLB, and DE. In one game in playing in the "Wide 9", look at that production. He is in good hands now with Jim Washburn. Ziggy could very be the best pick in this draft a few years down the road.

The kid weighs 275 lbs and runs a 4.63 40. He's 6'5" and has a 35" vert. He's an absolute freak and he is exactly what we need to complement Suh and Fairley.

I may be the only Lions fan that loves this pick. He was the best DE in the draft, and fills a huge need


i loved the ziggy pick. also love our gaurd from kansas
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