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Mar 17 2014 01:05pm
Quote (Genetics @ Mar 17 2014 03:05pm)
those 2 players are the heart and soul of detroit, and without them, the team cant function on anywhere close to the same level.

they are also 2 of the top 20 or so players in the nhl when healthy. the red wings will be deeper and able to sustain absences from these 2 players in the future, but just not yet.

clearly we have a difference of opinion here, but im not trying to flame you or the red wings.

this current team with a normal amount of injuries (lets say weiss actually plays some games and datsyuk and zetterberg only miss a combined 20 games), would make the playoffs and have an early exit, especially in the west which was my original statement.


There are more players injured than datsyuk and zetterberg. I don't get how you are blatantly ignoring that. If you're honestly dismissing those other players as pointless injuries, you don't know hockey.

This post was edited by dxlightning on Mar 17 2014 01:06pm
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Quote (TheSlowpoke @ Mar 17 2014 02:03pm)
Hahaha, sour blues fan because they have been trash for a good dozen years, when was the last time they were even considered candidates to get past round one!!!


according to your posts you heard about it last week
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Quote (Genetics @ Mar 17 2014 04:05pm)
nice one multi


Mulit? Have my ip looked up! I've been recommended this site by a friend. Silly blues fans and their false hopes. Haha! You will get knocked out of the playoffs by the Nucks in no time, pal.

Quote (partank @ Mar 17 2014 04:06pm)
according to your posts you heard about it last week


What? A maple leafs fan talking shit? They are just as bad as the blues! Hahahaha

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Quote (dxlightning @ Mar 17 2014 01:05pm)
There are more players injured than datsyuk and zetterberg. I don't get how you are blatantly ignoring that. If you're honestly dismissing those other players as pointless injuries, you don't know hockey.


they are far less important than the injuries to datsyuk and zetterberg. i know much about hockey, and the current game is built on depth if you want to run deep into the season, and red wings dont have much of it even if the other players not named datsyuk and zetterberg got injured.

obviously those made it worse, but they arent the key problem.

Quote (TheSlowpoke @ Mar 17 2014 01:08pm)
Mulit? Have my ip looked up! I've been recommended this site by a friend. Silly blues fans and their false hopes. Haha! You will get knocked out of the playoffs by the Nucks in no time, pal.


ok multi. get some fg and well make a bet.

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Mar 17 2014 01:13pm
Quote (Genetics @ Mar 17 2014 03:09pm)
they are far less important than the injuries to datsyuk and zetterberg. i know much about hockey, and the current game is built on depth if you want to run deep into the season, and red wings dont have much of it even if the other players not named datsyuk and zetterberg got injured.

obviously those made it worse, but they arent the key problem.


Helm is one of if not the best PK specialists in the league.
Weiss was our 2C before Legwand and was almost PPG in florida.
Andersson is D2D and one of the better shutdown guys on the team.
Gus has been top-20 in goaltending this year.
Dekeyser was gone several weeks and is easily one of the best defensemen on the team. Defensively, top-2.

But hey, they don't matter.

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Quote (dxlightning @ Mar 17 2014 01:13pm)
Helm is one of if not the best PK specialists in the league.
Weiss was our 2C before Legwand and was almost PPG in florida.
Andersson is D2D and one of the better shutdown guys on the team.
Gus has been top-20 in goaltending this year.

But hey, they don't matter.


yep, thats what i said. every one of these means nothing... :wallbash:

its like im talking to a rock.

gus had a good stretch, but who knows if he could handle a huge workload with howard out and/or playing badly. small sample size so far.

weiss is an ok 2C, nothing more. his injury hurts the most of this group.

helm is a good grit guy, but isnt gonna bring alot to the table without skill around him. hes an equivalent to a sobotka-like player.

and yes your defense is shallow anyway, with or without andersson.

anyway, im done posting here, ive made my points and youve made yours, agree to disagree.

this all stemmed from me saying that the red wings, even if healthy, wouldnt have been a top 5 team in the west this season, and i stand by that 100%.

maybe next season youll avoid injuries and have more depth.
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Quote (Genetics @ Mar 17 2014 04:09pm)
ok multi. get some fg and well make a bet.


I may not have fg but I'm willing to make a bet. I'll release my level 70 Mewtwo if your blues band gets past round 1. If I win however you give me all your fg. Scared?
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Mar 17 2014 02:04pm
You cant just look at what they bring to the table as what you are missing. You also have to account for who replaces them.

On the wings roster currently they have six NHL capable centers.
Zetterberg datsyuk helm andersson weiss legwand

Five of the six. Five of the six of the most important position on the ice besides the goalie is injured.
The center is the first back on the back check.
The busiest player in the defensive zone.
The pivot between wingers.
The deepest player in the offensive zone for the wings behind the net and two man forecheck/boardplay forecheck.
Being the deepest in the offensive zone and the deepest in the defensive zone , the center has to be the most conditioned player on the ice, or at least the most economical with skating and energy use.
Playing at the NHL is next level. Playing center at NHL level is again next level.

When your team is missing five of six NHL ready centers, you are replacing them with AHL talent (jurco, a child) and NHL wingers (franzen).
Sure theyve all had a little time in the middle in their day but you cant honestly expect them to hang with true nhl centermen.
Have you ever switched positions on a team that actually uses real systems? Its not beer league float wherever you feel like hockey.

On top of that Jurco is out.
So now you have wingers and back ups to backups playing center- again the busiest player on the ice.

Helm really is one of the most useful PK players on the team (someone post the video please).
Thats not just something we say as fans when trying to "talk sports". Helm has a role and our PK is exponentially better with him on the ice. If were away and get last change, we dont get worried when he gets matched up against crosby because we know he can at least hang. I dont think buffalo fans would say the same about Cody hodgson or tyler Ennis and they are their number one and number two centers! Number one and number two!
So to say he doesnt bring much to the table is ludicrous and ignorant. He is a role player and one of the best. Hes not number two PK-oh-this-guy-doesnt-get-ice-time-pk-plug. Hes the number one option on PK. You may not see that if you dont watch every wings game so ill cut you a break there.

Losing andersson was important because at the time we had already lost centers 1 2 and 3 (and the fourth option in zetterberg).
Now who do we go to? Oh yea... glendenning. A rookie from the NCAA. :bonk:

Gustavsson has been good when needed every time. Hes out. So when howard goes down with a groin injury (happened) or the flu (happened) we have to go to AHL #1. But who backs them up? Oh yea, AHL number 2.

Our defensive corps is not as good as its been in recent years. Granted.
We desperately need a puck moving defenseman and a shutdown.
Dekeysser is reliable for both. He quarterbacks the power play for crying out loud.
Zone entry is a skill to be coveted when teams are playing a 0-4 or 1-3 style on the PK.
If you saw the last wings game vs Chicago they couldnt even enter the zone (literally) on the PP because the set play 100% of the time is dekeysser on the breakout skates it up to the offensive blue line and drops it to datsyuk because he will get in every time and create space. Oh but we cant do that because they're out. But im sure anyone is capable of that... sounds easy enough. Thats why Barrett jackman quarterbacked the st louis pp instead of chris pronger right?

While to the normal fan and a biased dummy it may seem otherwise, I assure you NHL teams do not have "plugs".
Every red wing injury- every one of them in this instance is a key role player. The only one who id say isn't big blow to the system is kindl. His role can be filled- sure. But dekeysser, helm, andersson, these guys have very important roles. Truly.

Your view of why each player is important is too general and lacking knowledge.

I can provide video evidence odor every sentence I wrote.











And never mind any typos. Im on my phone. Deal with it.

This post was edited by Stealth on Mar 17 2014 02:09pm
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Mar 17 2014 02:07pm
Too logical. Wings are bad etc.
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