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I completely agree, but Myers is valuable to the team even though he's overpaid because we already saw what happened when he wasn't there to fill the void. Unless you actually prefer watching revolving dmen becuase they're cheaper and with the saved cap how would you improve the backend?
You have to think at a higher level than "have cap space, spend cap space". Open cap space is an extremely valuable asset. Sometimes you have to bide your time for the right move, or save it for a rainy day.
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I agree again, it's already hard enough to find a good 3C but these players can't even outplay Beags in the 4C role. He has been used more like a 3C for the team cuz Gaudette sadly could not play the 3C role. Although to be fair, when he signed those bottom 6 contracts is when the team didn't have a set core to build around, nor ready prospects and they were just fillers til our farm system developed some players. Who knew the team would hit jackpots in the draft without any top 5 picks and significantly speed up the process.
Yes it's nice that some of the draft picks have graduated early/sooner than expected. But that's something that should be accounted for, not something we should have been blindsided by. Take a look at the type of veteran contracts Stevie Y is signing in Detroit, they will never get in the way the way ours did.
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How would you find a different way to get a D-man though??
Didn't Benning actually try all those options you listed before signing Myers?
Draft better -> Failed here, other than Hughes he had nobody in the system developed or ready, Rathbone seems promising but he is just about ready now to see whats up, juolevi seems like a bust, woo is still far away, brisebois etc. unless you resort to drafting all dmen instead of BPA in draft?? i dont like that idea.
Sign better college FAs -> he gambled on Stecher, Teves, Rafferty etc. & the best he got was stecher. How do you know who's "better college FA" to target though without playing the hindsight game?
He also gambled through FA for short term guys which resulted in revolving door-men for many years and prevented himself from being locked up to a bad contract, and the result was Green being forced to play MDZ & Bartkowski :(
He even scouted undrafted players & pray they turn out to be gems, --> holm, chatfield, sautner, doesn't seem like it so far though.
I don't have any behind the scenes access, so I don't know. But I refuse to believe that whatever Benning did is best case scenario, nothing he's done as the GM here would make me believe he's that competent. Toews got traded for 2 seconds and was like a top 10 D-men, why weren't we in on that? Not saying it had to be Toews in particular, but I'm sure there are a lot of options out there that never see the light of day.
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So i guess he finally took the last option and went for Myers?? At least he has been quite solid for the Canucks.
Benning definitely could've negotiated better, but his FA negotiation is trash af, but what can you do when your org is not a contender? low ball/or pay 500k more to play on a shittier team and pray they accept or fuck off? and resort back to pouliots and sbisas??
Yes, now explain how you would go about negotiating them to join the Canucks on those contracts instead of elite teams like Tampa/Avs?? Majority of their dcore right now is from trades, aside from Hedman, Makar and Timmins. Shows how tough it is to even draft all on your own when elite teams like them had to resort through trade and sign. I too wish Canucks can trade for their needs without weakening other areas on the roster or giving up the future, but that's impossible without 1 or the other.
A player like Myers is not an impact player, not a player you overpay for. He's a complimentary piece that would be nice to have on your team @ the right price, not a big fish you chase in free agency.
If you're having trouble luring big names, draft & develop and then wait until you're a promising young team so that free agents will be tantalized. It might take longer but at least that way you don't cripple your cap.
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Stecher would be awesome at 1.7m, but if the Canucks qualified him he would be minimum 2.3m or something. Also if stecher went through arbitration, it would be much higher. He's definitely awesome character guy to have as he always gave it all, but come on, we both watched the nightmare when he and gaudette were extremely exposed af in playoffs. He's a 3rd pairing at best on a good team, and we are not a good team, as he was playing top 4 & recently pushed out in favor of Myers. I agree that paying 3.5m more for Myers over Stecher isn't worth it, but Myers has been more solid than Stecher has been with the Canucks, and he still averages more than 5+ minutes than Stetcher on both teams. Which means more rest for fresh legs for other RHD to go up against tough matchups instead of being forced to overplay their minutes.
puckIQ also shows more information if you're interested.
http://www.puckiq.com/woodmoney?season=20192020&tier=Elite&positions=d&team=van&group_by=player_season_team
According to that Stecher had easier competition but also performed equal or better in all the categories. Which means if his competition was a bit tougher / closer to Myers, his performance would have been worse / closer to Myers. In other words, they performed relatively equally, just at very different cap hits.
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I know we had Myers instead of Tanev this year. I've been asking you like 3 times now what your solution is if the Canucks did not have Myers and used 4.5m to re-sign Tanev instead. You take out myers for space to keep Tanev + 1.5m , but you should also be willing to take out what Myers brought to the team too... 20+ min RHD dman, relied heavily on by Green etc. i mean if that 1.5m is a game changer for the team, more so than what Myers currently brings to the team, im all for it.
You keep answering that Tanev replaces Myers minutes, but Tanev would always been with the team and never left. He would be playing the staple minutes with Hughes, Edler/Schmitty would be playing the match up. Myers was never here, so with the saved cap, who is being used to fill Myers minutes the past season and this season? I guess Benn would've still been here, and not traded for a pick & save 2m?
My brain hurts.
Flashback to before we ever had Myers.
Now pretend we never signed him.
Now, because his 6M isn't on the books, we have space to keep Tanev and Stecher.
Schmidt - Tanev - Stecher down the right side, looks good to me. Why do we need Myers?