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Oct 2 2013 08:20am
Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice 15m
Still, Gionta scoring as many 5-on-5 goals in 539 mins at even-strength on 4th line vs. Kovalchuk in 649 mins, shows season Kovalchuk had.

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Oct 2 2013 09:00am
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Compared to other top players on other teams in the league lol.. those guys don't come close except maybe Brodeur.  Sure Stevens and Nieds were great, but there were A LOT of HOF'ers on other teams.  They weren't really 'star players' during 95/00/03.


stevens is one of the biggest reasons devils won anything

people didnt dare to look down at the puck

gomez was one of the best TWF:s in the league, getting the selkea round there

the difference is that devils played the trap while having very good players. thats what won them the cups
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stevens is one of the biggest reasons devils won anything

people didnt dare to look down at the puck

gomez was one of the best TWF:s in the league, getting the selkea round there

the difference is that devils played the trap while having very good players. thats what won them the cups


I'm not arguing that they weren't great players, but there were bigger stars during their primes. They weren't Crosby/Ovechkin star level. Jagr, Forsberg, Gretzky, Leclair, Palffy, Francis, Bure, Recchi, Kariya, Selanne, Modano, Sakic, Yzerman, Roenick, Sundin, Lindros, Naslund, Lidstrom, Leetch, Blake, MacInnis, Bourque, Pronger, Thornton, Demitra, Lemieux were all active during those years. Sure we're comparing apples to oranges in that most stars are forwards, but I think you understand my point?

If not, Lidstrom, Zubov, Blake, Leetch, Duchesne, Murphy, Ozolinsh, Numminen, MacInnis, Bourque, Pronger, Olausson, Housley, Karpovtsev, Shannon, Chelios, Bergevin, Gonchar, Chara, O'Donnell, Weinrich, Suchy, Aucoin, Hatcher, Desjardins, Foote, Boucher, Redden were active Dmen those years (I'm not saying all of them are better than Stevens and Niedermayer, but they were stars dmen those years in addition to those two Devils).

Again, I love Stevens, Niedermayer, Brodeur (three of my favorite players), but I don't think they were really league wide stars compared to some of the names I listed above (yes they were definitely top notch, but idk if they were best of the best). The team won using the trap yes, but they also won by having great depth which is my point here. Stealth said they need a star player like Kovalchuk, but my point is a well rounded team could be a lot better than a team with two strong lines/two weak lines like Pittsburgh. A few players could step into that star roll potentially anyway - like Zajac, and maybe Henrique (yes I know he's only had one full season under his belt but he's done pretty well since). I wouldn't say Elias is a star player, but he's defiinitely a good one although probably past his prime like Brodeur - both of which gave countless years of service to this team and definitely had amazing years with the team. I think Schneider has the potential to be a top 5 goalie with the Devils. Idealy, Zajac becomes a Toews type player, Henrique becomes a Kane, Schneider becomes a Crawford, Larsson a Keith, Elias a Hossa, etc.. Also Ryder/Clowe/Brunner have a ton of potential with this team - stars though? I doubt it. Who knows.
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Oct 3 2013 05:28am
Probable lines tonight:

Adam Henrique-Travis Zajac-Jaromir Jagr
Ryane Clowe-Patrik Elias-Damien Brunner
Dainius Zubrus-Andrei Loktionov-Michael Ryder
Ryan Carter-Stephen Gionta-Steve Bernier
Spares: Rotislav Olesz-Jacob Josefson-Mattias

Bryce Salvador-Marek Zidlicky
Andy Greene-Adam Larsson
Anton Volchenkov-Mark Fayne

Schnieder
Brodeur

Henrique at LW and Elias at center? Weird.. glad they're keeping the CBGB line together.
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Oct 3 2013 01:15pm
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 3h
Ben Eager, Scott Clemmensen, and Kevan Miller cleared Waivers. Wsh claims Alexander Urbom off Waivers from NJ. No one else on Waivers.


wtf washington.. I liked Urbom :[
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Oct 3 2013 01:22pm
No Neal, Vokoun, Letang tonight. Elias, Jagr, D'Agostini, Orpik all probable.

Devils lines tonight unless last minute changes:
Clowe-Elias-Brunner
Henrique-Zajac-Jagr
Zubrus-Loktionov-Ryder
Carter-Gionta-Bernier
Scratched: Olesz-Josefson-Tedenby

d pairs same
Schneider starts
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Oct 3 2013 01:23pm
Quote (Rivals @ Oct 3 2013 03:22pm)
No Neal, Vokoun, Letang tonight. Elias, Jagr, D'Agostini, Orpik all probable.

Devils lines tonight unless last minute changes:
Clowe-Elias-Brunner
Henrique-Zajac-Jagr
Zubrus-Loktionov-Ryder
Carter-Gionta-Bernier
Scratched: Olesz-Josefson-Tedenby

d pairs same
Schneider starts


Neal (upper body) will be a game-time decision in Thursday's season opener against the Devils, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports.
Spin: Neal did not participate in Thursday's skate with the team, but will be a call towards game-time. Coach Dan Bylsma went on to say that the Penguins are predicting he will play. Even though it is a game-time call, he is looking like a safer bet to play Thursday against the Devils.
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Neal (upper body) will be a game-time decision in Thursday's season opener against the Devils, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports.
Spin: Neal did not participate in Thursday's skate with the team, but will be a call towards game-time. Coach Dan Bylsma went on to say that the Penguins are predicting he will play. Even though it is a game-time call, he is looking like a safer bet to play Thursday against the Devils.


oh ok

was just reading this kinda dated tweet:

Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice 4h
Looks like no James Neal (upper body) for Pens tonight.
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Stormed out of work. What a miserable day. Can't wait to get to the Rock.
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