Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Apr 11 2017 02:27pm)

Provide me an example of your special training which would have resulted in using your force to take this man off a plane.
Would love to hear this.

Quote (Tear @ Apr 11 2017 12:28pm)

double elbow escort.
single elbow 2 man escort

pick one, both easy as fuck and no one gets hurt.

Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Apr 11 2017 02:30pm)

Ok. In an aisle on a plane you can do that? I think not.

This man sits in his seat, window seat. And won't move. How do YOu use your training to get him out of his window seat and off the plane.

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It doesn't seem like this situation went off as it should have though. From /u/deskreference's comment taken from https://thepointsguy.com/2017/04/your-rights-on-involuntary-bumps/
Lawyer here. This myth that passengers don't have rights needs to go away, ASAP. You are dead wrong when saying that United legally kicked him off the plane.
1. First of all, it's airline spin to call this an overbooking. The statutory provision granting them the ability to deny boarding is about "OVERSALES", specifically defines as booking more reserved confirmed seats than there are available. This is not what happened. They did not overbook the flight; they had a fully booked flight, and not only did everyone already have a reserved confirmed seat, they were all sitting in them. The law allowing them to denying boarding in the event of an oversale does not apply.
2. Even if it did apply, the law is unambiguously clear that airlines have to give preference to everyone with reserved confirmed seats when choosing to involuntarily deny boarding. They have to always choose the solution that will affect the least amount of reserved confirmed seats. This rule is straightforward, and United makes very clear in their own contract of carriage that employees of their own or of other carriers may be denied boarding without compensation because they do not have reserved confirmed seats. On its face, it's clear that what they did was illegal-- they gave preference to their employees over people who had reserved confirmed seats, in violation of 14 CFR 250.2a.
3. Furthermore, even if you try and twist this into a legal application of 250.2a and say that United had the right to deny him boarding in the event of an overbooking; they did NOT have the right to kick him off the plane. Their contract of carriage highlights there is a complete difference in rights after you've boarded and sat on the plane, and Rule 21 goes over the specific scenarios where you could get kicked off. NONE of them apply here. He did absolutely nothing wrong and shouldn't have been targeted. He's going to leave with a hefty settlement after this fiasco.

Quote (Tear @ Apr 11 2017 12:32pm)

he weighs 160lbs? pull him into the aisle.
double elbow escort.

why am i arguing with someone who has like zero experience/knowledge on the subject.

im sure if i can restrain a 240 18 year old, the 3 big men can handle an old 160 man.

Quote (Bruin @ Apr 11 2017 12:40pm)

Subzero going full suomi

Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Apr 11 2017 12:49pm)

Not at all. Just tired of everyone agreeing with the passenger.

Sure the force used was too much. Ok you can have that.

But any airline here or in the states can ask you to leave the flight. And you must comply! And failure to do so will result in authorities being called and you being forcibly removed.

Quote (remco6 @ Apr 11 2017 12:54pm)

Wrong, see above.

Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Apr 11 2017 12:55pm)

Sorry. Not gonna read a copy pasta wall of text.Try using your own words.

Quote (remco6 @ Apr 11 2017 12:33pm)

The airline didn't over book , they wanted to give seats to employees, this is actually illegal.
The airline has the right to deny him boarding , not kick him out of his reserved , confirmed seat that he is sitting in.
There's actually laws in US that cover this , unlike Canada atm where is upto the airline.