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Now that it's the Habs' offseason I need capgeek so that I can armchair GM properly


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Wow and it even shows me draft picks

Fantastic, ty
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I'm not one to follow this particular train of thought

PK is an excellent possession player because of his ability to create plays. More often than not his plays create something, therefore in its entirety he nets more out of his plays than he losses

Him becoming less dynamic would worsen his possession stats in my opinion


in an 82 game season it pays off in a 7 game playoff series it could very well cost you the series vs a good team i guess it could also win but so could a d man who plays properly
subban is great offensively but my problem is thats all he seems to think id like to see him play better defensivly and create the offense from more turn overs or something
Quote (FunOnABun @ May 12 2015 11:25pm)
Now that it's the Habs' offseason I need capgeek so that I can armchair GM properly


http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams

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Wow and it even shows me draft picks

Fantastic, ty


lol this the picks are nice to see ^^ but TC has stats which GF doesnt
hmmm

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Decent run, did better than I thought this year.

1. We need offense badly
2. DD needs to leave, NOW.. he's not an NHL player
3. Galchenyuk needs to play center
4. We need to keep Petry if possible
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in an 82 game season it pays off in a 7 game playoff series it could very well cost you the series vs a good team i guess it could also win but so could a d man who plays properly
subban is great offensively but my problem is thats all he seems to think id like to see him play better defensivly and create the offense from more turn overs or something


http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams





lol this the picks are nice to see ^^


If it pays off in an 82 game season than the logic is that it will have a positive influence in the playoffs as well

Positive statistics will remain positive statistics regardless of games played

The fact that something can go wrong is not a good enough reason to stop doing the right thing

Edit: I'll throw in a dice example

A 6 sided die has five #1, and one #6

So, 1,1,1,1,1,6 are the possible rolls

You should pick #1, no matter how many times you roll a 6, choosing the #6 will always be least favourable pick

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For what I could watch.. Plekanec played like shit.. again.
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If if pays off in an 82 game season than the logic is that it will have a positive influence in the playoffs as well

Positive statistics will remain positive statistics regardless of games played

The fact that something can go wrong is not a good enough reason to stop doing the right thing



technically but thats when qulaity of teams come into play it might work vs lesser teams more often giving it a +
but it might work negatively vs better teams but since u play both in the season it evens out

in the playoffs there is only good teams that play defense and are good at counter rushing ect ect much higher chance of negative effect then regular season
also regular season is 82 games he fucks up a game no big deal if u cost your team a game in best of 7 series that is a big deal becasue u got 6 games to win 4 not 81 other games to balance it out with lesser teams

subban is also a career +1 in the playoffs with carey price and halak that year he had that super run ... if thats a + effect id think he would be a much higher + like the +21 he was in the season or career +31 he has in reg season


subban is damn good but if he would fine tune his offense mentality a bit i would legit feel hes worth that 9m contract

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technically but thats when qulaity of teams come into play it might work vs lesser teams more often giving it a +
but it might work negatively vs better teams but since u play both in the season it evens out

in the playoffs there is only good teams that play defense and are good at counter rushing ect ect much higher chance of negative effect then regular season
also regular season is 82 games he fucks up a game no big deal if u cost your team a game in best of 7 series that is a big deal becasue u got 6 games to win 4 not 81 other games to balance it out

subban is also a career +1 in the playoffs with carey price and halak that year he had that super run ... if thats a + effect id think he would be a much higher + like the +21 he was in the season or career +31 he has in reg season


#1 is a good point, but we don't have any way to prove whether or not it becomes more or less effective against better teams

#2 Goes back to my point about it not mattering if it costs you a game, as long as it wins you more games than it costs. On average, all that will matter is that it wins you more games. It won't matter if games are lost here and there regardless of the post-season

#3 Unless we're talking about a very specific context, I don't think +/- is very applicable. It's not a good stat to look at individually and on it's own, it has no value imo

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subban is damn good but if he would fine tune his offense mentality a bit i would legit feel hes worth that 9m contract


Yeah at the end of the day a lot of it comes down to opinion

Unless we have 2 versions of Subban running simultaneously we can't say which is more effective in all scenarios with 100% certainty

9M is a fuckton when you compare it to someone like Karlsson, who may be even better offensively

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#1 is a good point, but we don't have any way to prove whether or not it becomes more or less effective against better teams

#2 Goes back to my point about it not mattering if it costs you a game, as long as it wins you more games than it costs. On average, all that will matter is that it wins you more games. It won't matter if games are lost here and there regardless of the post-season

#3 Unless we're talking about a very specific context, I don't think +/- is very applicable. It's not a good stat to look at individually and on it's own, it has no value imo

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Yeah at the end of the day a lot of it comes down to opinion

Unless we have 2 versions of Subban running simultaneously we can't say which is more effective in all scenarios with 100% certainty

9M is a fuckton when you compare it to someone like Karlsson, who may be even better offensively

idk i feel a subban taking offense chances but better ones with less risk wouldnt give him much less points but would improve his defensive play a lot but i guess ur right no way to prove really just opinion
and yeah 9m is a fuck ton imo a 9m player should be balanced like i want and have almost no risk to his game but it seems risky offense d men are the future of the nhl
hell even the norris now is pretty much best offensive d man :lol: the nhl is pushing this for more scoring :P

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#firetherrien before it is too late
and JJ Daignault
and Dan Lacroix


and Bergevin... move forward. You are not in a <<transition>> year as you have had said past 2-3years. Price/Pacio are on great contracts and Subban(well... bridge deal failed so) but they are all in their primes.

the habs need offense badly or perhaps, it might be a good idea to actually play a bit more of the kids in the AHL(Andrighetto/Hudon, like they once did with Galchenyuk/Gallagher in 2012-2013. Mistakes will certainly happen, and that's part of their learning curve, and also... for the love of god, change the fucking system. This ain't a fucking grinding team that Therrien has tried to run for the past 2 years. If they were a fucking grinding team, you wouldn't have a 5'7 dwarf centering your 1st line for most of the year,

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