Quote (Darc-Deth @ Nov 30 2015 05:08pm)
if you break the rules of the list you are removed, its a simple concept
this, theres obviously been some issues since the summer but well get on the same page
im 100% firm on the wpb section though, there is no use for it...but we need to give the welchers who deserve it the opportunity to lose their tag
There is no use for WPB? Did you miss my post? In case you did here it is:
Quote (Proint @ Nov 29 2015 10:11pm)
Some people were getting mad at jbell and pens for doing stuff without a vote. Then some people wanted a vote and were saying it used to be a democracy. If it's only the trusteds and meds voting it's more of a republic. If the hockey forum has the same method of promoting actives to trusted and med as the nfl/nba/MLB forums, then meds and trusteds are voted on by themselves. So that's not really a republic either.
That's not important though.
Bb Mello says that even bringing up prone for removal is retarded. What is actually retarded is not having a welcher paid back status. Why did it take so long to get it this far? People who welched and paid back are seen as the same as welchers on the hockey list. Whether they payed back the 50 fg they welched or welched 2k and never showed their face here again, they show up the same on the list. That absolutely has to change.
People who welch in other forums are sometimes placed on the hockey welcher list. Which of course makes sense. Have to protect our forum from that type of risk. But a record should be kept of every single welch and welch payed back. If that's already being done then good.
Welcher for life despite paying back simply makes no sense. It's a stone age policy. Welcher paid back often carries the same stigma but it's far less of a bad label to a lot of people. Myself included. I will not bet with welchers but I will bet with wpb. In hockey there are no wpbs so people who did pay back are missing out on potential bets and games.
One mistake/bad decision and you're forever a welcher. If the rules are changed to allow for a wpb status then that is slightly better. People learn from their mistakes. People change. I'm not sure I'd advocate for the possibility to get removed off the welcher list and work your way to active, but simply saying it can never happen is the wrong approach. When did welching pixels become unforgivable?
Logs of every single addition to the list have to kept. We need to be able to back up our list with facts and evidence.
Why do a few people who fucked up ruin the chances for other people to somewhat clear their name?
Quote (h4bs @ Nov 30 2015 05:09pm)
No to welcher paid back
Yes to welcher become unknown
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You guys give absolutely no reason for why you are voting a certain way. BB mello's reasoning is that it's retarded. h4bs didn't give any reason at all. DD's reasoning is that in the past people fucked up so future people shouldn't be given the same chance. How does any of this make sense? The transition from welcher straight to unknown is too big of a leap. We have unknowns that should be active that have never welched. Suddenly they will be seen, by the list, as equal to people who welched in the past but cleaned up their act enough to get the welch tag removed. The wpb tag would act as a step between the two. How you could vote against wpb and be for allowing people to go from welcher to unknown makes no sense at all. If wpb welch again just put them back on the welcher list or better yet blacklist them.
Quote (Darc-Deth @ Nov 30 2015 11:23am)
Let me fill you guys in on a few things, since literally 0% of you were here when the decision to remove welcher paid back was made
the move came when our wpb section of the list became empty
why did it become empty, because literally every single person on the list ended up welching a larger amount the second time
another note, one I have pointed out many times but people seem to ignore, WELCHERS CAN HAVE THEIR TAG REMOVED. they have always been capable of it
and im sure jbell will fix what cratic decided on his own, and we will see some welchers have their tags removed, this takes much more dedication and contribution to the forum than just paying back a welch
also, prone cares less about his tag being removed than anybody else on this forum, just saying...
another note with d2god, it was never jbells decision to keep him off the list, it was agreed upon by most of the meds for a period of time, again most of you weren't around for his initial infractions, and the continued bitching about it kept him off
as he has been much better as of late and throughout the last season, i don't doubt he will get his tag this season at some point, provided he keeps it up
As I said in my previous post, there is a huge difference between wpb and welcher. I'm pretty sure Prone payed back his welches/scams/whatever. JSP determined that he did and his tag in the NFL/NBA/MLB forums reflect that. Talk shit about those sections all you want. At least they got it right.
Lastly, I keep mentioning that the meds/trusteds were chosen by each other. If that's not true then let me know. The results of votes, who voted for what, and anything else like that need to be made public. We need transparency. This is based on pixel currency. We've got 9 people, who were chosen by each other, voting on stuff that affects the entire forum.
I have no issue with any of our trusteds or meds. I think we've got a very good group. However, when you guys vote on stuff and give no reason why you voted that way there is a problem. When you vote on stuff and your reasoning is bullshit, there is a problem.