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Aug 27 2020 06:03pm
Lets ask the hard questions... What if the races were reversed. What if it was black cop shooting a white man with the same criminal history. Are we here right now talking about it? No chance. And in fact id imagine they would herald the cop as a hero.
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Aug 27 2020 06:05pm
Quote (Fgs @ Aug 27 2020 04:41pm)
But it draws attention and that's what's needed. Look around you. Everyone is talking about this, even the predominately white fans of hockey .

Literally everyone

There should never be a safe place to escape racial issues.

That's what we've been doing for the past 5 decades.

And look where we are.


Racial issues have certainly been on the forefront of political discourse for a long time now, pretty much since Obama got elected. It needs as much sports exposure as a guido needs a tanning salon. After a certain point people need to realize an issue is past publicity stunts and needs nerds to do the work instead.

Let me explain. Take two Minnesota cop shootings - that of Phillando Castille, and that of Justine Damond. In both cases, it's very hard to justify the actions of the officer and any reasonable person should conclude they should be punished. Both even had a partner who, in the heat of the moment, knew not to use their guns. Yet Castille's killer walked away with a severance package, only Damond's killer was jailed.

The former case, the officer's defense argued Castille was a terrible person because he had weed on him while driving with his kids. This argument was actually crucial to his acquittal, because at the end of the day the jury decided it was a matter of trusting the officer's judgement that he felt threatened, and they agreed. And despite being a lawful gun owner, the NRA and other pro-gun rights figureheads did not speak in Castille's defense until they were shamed into doing so. You can figure out that Castille was black, and the officer wasn't.

In the Damond case, the officer's defense didn't even attempt to attack the character of the victim, only focusing on whether he felt it reasonable to use force at the time. He was unceremoniously convicted. In fact, typical pro-gun figures came out speaking against the officer, alleging affirmative-action hiring practices had led to getting someone incompetent doing something bad. By this writing you can figure out the officer was black (and also Muslim, as a bonus) and that the woman was white. Former GOP rep Michelle Bachman even went a step further and argued he shot Damond because that's what his "culture" would demand from him.

Both cases had a shitton of exposure at the time, and there were lots of protests demanding justice for the victims. Yet only one got a conviction, with arguably race both enabling Castille's killer to walk away and Damond's to be unprotected by the "blue wall". Castille didn't need celebrities to do publicity stunts, he needed weed to be legal and for lawful black gun owners to be taken as seriously as their non-black counterparts.

This post was edited by Hizkuntza on Aug 27 2020 06:06pm
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Aug 27 2020 06:13pm
Quote (Fgs @ Aug 27 2020 07:41pm)
But it draws attention and that's what's needed. Look around you. Everyone is talking about this, even the predominately white fans of hockey .

Literally everyone

There should never be a safe place to escape racial issues.

That's what we've been doing for the past 5 decades.

And look where we are.


This topic has been in our faces for months on a daily basis from every Facebook source, every news source, etc. Tell me what this is going to accomplish other than pissing people off who simply want to watch hockey after already seeing BLM shit on a daily basis
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Aug 27 2020 06:14pm
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Just because people are talking about it does not mean there is meaningful discussion. Majority of people have had enough. But anyone who speaks opposing the current narrative or pointing out facts gets slammed as a racist bigot.



Majority of people? You mean the majority of white people who don't really care about any of this because it doesn't affect them?

Because I can guarantee you the people who this impacts the most haven't had enough.
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Aug 27 2020 06:16pm
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This topic has been in our faces for months on a daily basis from every Facebook source, every news source, etc. Tell me what this is going to accomplish other than pissing people off who simply want to watch hockey after already seeing BLM shit on a daily basis



Change happens when massive amounts of people demand it.

It doesn't happen any other way
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Aug 27 2020 06:21pm
Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Aug 27 2020 06:01pm)
Just because people are talking about it does not mean there is meaningful discussion. Majority of people have had enough. But anyone who speaks opposing the current narrative or pointing out facts gets slammed as a racist bigot.



You are a racist though. You and a couple others in this thread. All that matters to you is any criminal record, speeding tickets, pocket knife found in the man’s car after the fact, anything to justify violence against a guy you had already decided deserved it. Black men are 6 times more likely to be incarcerated in the US, 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police. I can already hear how you are going to try justify those numbers, and it’s racist as hell. It’s institutionalized racism, and it’s not your specific cherry-picked police violent incident that is easiest for you to defend, because the victim has a record. And not to mention, the suggestion a criminal record means cops have a licence to murder is so fucked up, it’s shocking you can’t even recognize something as basic as that.
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Aug 27 2020 06:23pm
Quote (Fgs @ Aug 27 2020 06:14pm)
Majority of people? You mean the majority of white people who don't really care about any of this because it doesn't affect them?

Because I can guarantee you the people who this impacts the most haven't had enough.


See and there's the accusations by yourself already. Simply by having a differing opinion. :wallbash:
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Aug 27 2020 06:23pm
Quote (StayPositive @ Aug 27 2020 06:21pm)
You are a racist though. You and a couple others in this thread. All that matters to you is any criminal record, speeding tickets, pocket knife found in the man’s car after the fact, anything to justify violence against a guy you had already decided deserved it. Black men are 6 times more likely to be incarcerated in the US, 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police. I can already hear how you are going to try justify those numbers, and it’s racist as hell. It’s institutionalized racism, and it’s not your specific cherry-picked police violent incident that is easiest for you to defend, because the victim has a record. And not to mention, the suggestion a criminal record means cops have a licence to murder is so fucked up, it’s shocking you can’t even recognize something as basic as that.


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Aug 27 2020 06:24pm
Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Aug 27 2020 08:23pm)
See and there's the accusations by yourself already. Simply by having a differing opinion. :wallbash:



What? I didn't call anyone a racist lol. I just think most white people don't feel like dealing with this because it's easier to ignore it versual dealing with it. That's not racism
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Aug 27 2020 06:27pm
Quote (Fgs @ Aug 27 2020 06:24pm)
What? I didn't call anyone a racist lol. I just think most white people don't feel like dealing with this because it's easier to ignore it versual dealing with it. That's not racism


I think thereis more white people in these marches/riots than any other race.
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