Man i really think ur overestimating what coaches are responsible for.

How do you know another coach could fire the team up more, or stop Kadri from being an idiot, or improve morale more than Babs did. These are all big assumptions without much to back up their actual validity.
If you look at the actual visible responsibilities of a coach such as strategy, lines, minutes, matchups i think he did well.

Kadri is responsible for his actions, hes a grown ass man. And hes been that player under every coach hes had. If you really think Babs enables his behaviour and thats why Kadri did this, i dunno what to say other than players arent 9 year old children.

This post was edited by LAP4JSP on Apr 24 2019 09:49am

I think you are under estimating we may have to agree to disagree.

Your assumptions that another coach cannot improve more than babs did is no more valid, and his track record really isnt that good. Who can't coach team canada.

Kadri is 100% responsible for his actions, i never said anything otherwise but babcock is responsible for his inability to manage kadri, he got the same suspension against the same team. thats a management problem. that is not to say its not Kadri's fault but thier staff failed to improve or remove kadri over the year. that is part of their responsibility



E/ Also i challenge you to find a professional coaching job description that does not include requirements or responsibilities about morale, discipline and sportsmanship, those are 100% coaching responsibilities reflected in all great coaches across all sports, in movies and in job descriptions.


Besides as i pointed out, i wasn't happy with the plays, line or TOI either.

This post was edited by Nearin on Apr 24 2019 10:15am

If Kadri is in this series, Marleau doesn't play as much. Kadri also PKs (area we got rocked in). The line combos I thought were3fine with the exception maybe having moore play more with the 3rd line but that line was killing it all series. Gardener + Demott were atrocious all series. I'm so excited for Sandin. I've seen him play approximately 10-11 times. Hes been really impressive. Mac Hollowell lead all defensemen in OHL scoring. He was pretty good on a Strong Grey Hounds team. So we got dmen who are excellent puck movers.

If you want an example of how important coaching is look at the Columbus/Tampa Bay series.

On one end you have Torts hyping up his team, having them play like rabid dogs on the forcecheck etc etc. All in all the entire team was hungry and played with the tenacity required to beat the top team.

Furthermore when Tampa tried to switch up the offensive strategy Torts properly guided his players to counter and put out the right lines to match.

Yes the players put in the effort and played outstanding and Bob make the big saves when he had to but overall Torts did an exceptional job steering the ship.


On contrast look at Cooper. He looked absolutely lost/stunned on the bench when the games/series started to go sideways. He got outclassed in terms of motivation, matchups and strategy.

He then made himself look extremely weak in the post series interview when he stated that his team had not played meaningful hockey for over a month and it was difficult to get amped up for playoff hockey.

Well..... Whose job is that. The coach has to in large part be responsible for keeping players motivated in all games, making adjustments when needed, and staying calm/confident under scrutiny.

He failed to do all of those things and it makes him look weak.

Yes the players have to take blame as well, as they should. The coach however is the one who steers the ship and has to keep his house in order.

This post was edited by Killingyouall on Apr 24 2019 11:37am

100% agreed

I didnt get to watch.. But did babs stir up the lines at least? Play our best players longer?

I agree the coach is very important. Strategy is key and im also not saying a coach isnt responsible for motivating and managing players.

My issue is blaming player or management issues on Babs. I dont think Babs had a bad strategy vs the bruins, i think he did a good job with lines, minutes, matchups; the things you said made Torts good.
If you dont think so, thats more than fair.

But things like Kadri being a cock, Nylander being trash, Gardner's giveaways, or perceived motivation shouldnt be blamed on Babs, but rather the players.

Some players are rabid dog type of players, and some players arent. If you think Phil Kessel not playing hard in the corners is a coaching issue, I say thats a player issue and no coach is going to get Phil to go into a corner with Chara.
If you think someone is not motivating Kessel enough, i think your just ignoring the reality of who the player is.

Columbus is a much harder team and the leafs could never emulate that play-style. Its more than just 'motivation' and Bab's can only play with the cards he is dealt.

Nearin you even said yourself that Kadri being an idiot is Kadri's issue and a management problem. Thats my point, Babs is not management or Kadri but is somehow being blamed.
Babs can contain Kadri, but cant change him in the same way a coach will never make Phil a power forward. Also, Bab's cant trade Kadri...


If you have a problem with Bab's strategy thats 100% fair, but to say hes not a good motivator or is responsible for Jakes giveaways, and Kadri's antics .... i think thats misplaced blame.


Also we coulda traded Nyslander for a Dman and Josh Anderson... Columbus players who are actually tenacious. But Babs had to play with Nyslander instead. Thats a player fault, or a gm's fault. how is that a coach's fault?

I think it boils down to this:

We dont need less Mike Babcock and more Torts.
We need more Power forwards, strong dmen and less Kadri, Nylander, Gardiner

100%agree eith this. One of nylander or kadri needs to go. And we should keep the younger player. Hopefully he gets better next year and has better linemates.

I'm curious what Kyle Dubas will do this summer with all those contracts.

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