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Jul 6 2013 10:17am
Quote (Stealth @ Jul 6 2013 12:13pm)
local radio said something about him being 35+ allows you to stash some of his cap hit in a bonus that doesnt count against cap.
Im not very knowledgeable to that information though


Weird. Capgeek doesn't have him as a 35+ and I hadn't heard about that rule

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Read more in depth about it.



This


Get over yourself
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Jul 6 2013 10:19am
Quote (dxlightning @ Jul 6 2013 04:17pm)
Weird. Capgeek doesn't have him as a 35+ and I hadn't heard about that rule



Get over yourself


You serious? Don't get mad at me for telling you how the contract went down.
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Jul 6 2013 10:43am
Quote (Stealth @ Jul 6 2013 12:13pm)
local radio said something about him being 35+ allows you to stash some of his cap hit in a bonus that doesnt count against cap.
Im not very knowledgeable to that information though


Alright, broke out the CBA. Alfie is earning bonuses that CAN be deferred, meaning they could make his bonuses count towards next year's cap if they so choose. Until they exercise that option though, it counts against this year.

/e it doesn't go away, but can be reallocated to next year.

This post was edited by dxlightning on Jul 6 2013 10:49am
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Jul 6 2013 12:48pm
As a frame of reference, here's where we are if holland can re-sign nyquist, andersson, smith:



Doubtful that signing them doesn't put us over the cap but who knows. Players on the 5th/6th lines are the ones I think we should move or have on a rotation (eaves/Lashoff)
Will say again I think Samuelsson needs to be bought out or traded for a sack of pucks.

Could be much worse problems to have than not being able to keep all your depth players lol. Some size would be nice too.

This post was edited by dxlightning on Jul 6 2013 12:51pm
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As a frame of reference, here's where we are if holland can re-sign nyquist, andersson, smith:

http://i.imgur.com/RTNcVsL.png

Doubtful that signing them doesn't put us over the cap but who knows. Players on the 5th/6th lines are the ones I think we should move or have on a rotation (eaves/Lashoff)
Will say again I think Samuelsson needs to be bought out or traded for a sack of pucks.


Don't even want a bag of pucks, someone can have him for free
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Jul 6 2013 01:25pm
My boy Abby holdin it down first line i c
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Jul 6 2013 01:33pm
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My boy Abby holdin it down first line i c


Datsyuk likes him on his wing so that's probably how it's going to be. I'm gonna be more interested to see where Zetterberg/Weiss end up. I kind of assumed Alfie is on a line with Z but who knows where Babcock puts any of them. With Weiss as 2C maybe the top line could be Alfie - Datsyuk - Zetterberg?

Datsyuk
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Weiss

All contenders to be on the top line. They just have to fucking stay healthy lol
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Jul 6 2013 02:25pm
Quote (dxlightning @ Jul 6 2013 11:11am)
Bonus counts against the cap. It's a 5.5m cap hit.


It is performance bonuses, not just a straight up bonus

it counts as 3.5 unless he reaches the incentives, in which case it is 5.5, however if that puts us over the cap there is a clause that allows us to defer up to 7.5% of the salary cap (roughly 5 million) to next year, and considering the incentives are only about 2 million we could defer it to next year if needed.

i found someone who explained it decently at the sb nation site

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he’s eligible for performance bonuses. so in addition to the base salary, if he attains certain specified accomplishments—we don’t know right this second what they are—then he’ll receive additional compensation accordingly with whatever he accomplishes.

in terms of the cap, the base salary will count toward this season’s cap no matter what. however, if the Red Wings exceed the $64.3mil cap because Alfredsson achieves his bonuses, then the overage in cap money can be transferred to the following season. so, for simplicity’s sake, if the Red Wings spend to the cap and have a payroll of $64.3mil, and if Alfredsson gets all $2mil in bonus money, then the Red Wings payroll will be $66.3mil with Alfredsson’s bonus money. because Alfredsson’s $2mil was bonus money, the Red Wings are allowed to exceed the cap by the $2mil in bonus money, but the $2mil cap overage penalty will be transferred to the following season. so if the cap in the following season 2014-15 is $70mil, the Red Wings will only be allowed to have a $68mil payroll because of the $2mil cap penalty from Alfredsson’s bonus money.

of course, all this is moot under two circumstances: if the Red Wings DON’T exceed the $64.3mil cap, the $2mil bonuses will just be applied to this year’s cap; or if Alfredsson doesn’t achieve a single penny of his bonuses, then we have only the $3.5mil base salary to apply to the cap.
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Jul 6 2013 02:26pm
Quote (austinhb @ Jul 6 2013 04:25pm)
It is performance bonuses, not just a straight up bonus

it counts as 3.5 unless he reaches the incentives, in which case it is 5.5, however if that puts us over the cap there is a clause that allows us to defer up to 7.5% of the salary cap (roughly 5 million) to next year, and considering the incentives are only about 2 million we could defer it to next year if needed.

i found someone who explained it decently at the sb nation site


Yeah, I posted that a few back... went and read the CBA. Overall there will be 5.5m total, just a matter of whether the bonuses count this year or next and if he fulfills them.
Creative accounting at its best.

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Yeah, I posted that a few back... went and read the CBA. Overall there will be 5.5m total, just a matter of whether the bonuses count this year or next and if he fulfills them.
Creative accounting at its best.


Ahh okay I just figured I would post this in case anyone was still confused
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