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Feb 12 2015 11:47pm
Quote (Genetics @ Feb 13 2015 01:40am)
or, maybe they just like the ones they have coming up more, and their team benefits from trading lack or markstrom now.

most teams cant say theyve had the options that vancouver has had at goaltending over the last 5 years.

i dont think they should worry about hurting peoples feelings or possibly making an AHL goalie uncomfortable about being traded in the future. do what you gotta do to make your team better.


Demko's 15 years behind Miller, he's not the natural successor. He's the "oh shit we need a goalie now" guy. Look at Markstrom's career. You gonna base your team's future on that?

This isn't basketball. Players aren't suddenly amazing.

This post was edited by dxlightning on Feb 13 2015 12:00am
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Trade off two franchise goaltenders then sign another franchise goaltender with a franchise goaltender in the works. Then draft a potential franchise goaltender and go to trade off your third franchise goaltender. I know I'm using specific phrasing, lol, but come on. Goaltender's easily the position you need to commit to most of any position. Yeah if they're shit you trade em but none of these guys have been shit. It's benefited nucks cuz goaltenders bring good return but at a certain point you have to think about a guy who isn't sure if he's gonna get traded the next day or not and how he'll perform.

Markstrom's an AHL goalie. He's done jack shit in the NHL.


Markstrom is playing very well in the AHL this year and is probably going to be eased into the NHL next year (this time, done properly) while Miller finishes out his career.

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You're simplifying it. They traded two "sure thing" goalies, to commit to another "sure thing" goalie, and then signed a "sure thing" goalie, and called Demko a "sure thing" goalie. While wanting to trade the "sure thing" goalie, from who the fuck cares at this point because that phrase means nothing anymore.

Again, it's looking at the last 3 months vs the last 3 years. Canucks are showing they don't commit to goalies (if the rumor is true).


What are you talking about lol. The Luongo and Schneider thing was fucked up but it was a one time thing, there's no "culture" change. In fact, with both Luongo and Schneider gone, it gets rid of the headaches. I don't know how the Canucks are "showing" anything 'cause the new management team hasn't even been here for a year.

Lack being traded is nothing more than a prospect of the old regime being let go because of there's young depth at his position.

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Demko's 15 years behind Miller, he's not the natural successor. He's the "oh shit we need a goalie now" guy. Look at Markstrom's career. You gonna base your team's future on that?

This isn't basketball. Players aren't suddenly amazing.


Goalies aren't hard to find, at least temporarily. If Markstrom fully busts we can find one to fill in the gap between Miller and Demko.

There's a few mid-level free-agents every summer.

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Markstrom is playing very well in the AHL this year and is probably going to be eased into the NHL next year (this time, done properly) while Miller finishes out his career.



What are you talking about lol. The Luongo and Schneider thing was fucked up but it was a one time thing, there's no "culture" change. In fact, with both Luongo and Schneider gone, it gets rid of the headaches. I don't know how the Canucks are "showing" anything 'cause the new management team hasn't even been here for a year.

Lack being traded is nothing more than a prospect of the old regime being let go because of there's young depth at his position.



Goalies aren't hard to find, at least temporarily. If Markstrom fully busts we can find one to fill in the gap between Miller and Demko.

There's a few mid-level free-agents every summer.


fill in the gap between miller and demko? whos to say demko even turns into an nhl goalie? or a starter at that? you act as if demko is a sure thing...goalies are never sure things lol
and im pretty sure markstrom has busted already guys 25 playing his prime in the ahl best you prob get out of him is a low-mid tier back up ... florida gave up on him for a reason lol

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fill in the gap between miller and demko? whos to say demko even turns into an nhl goalie? or a starter at that? you act as if demko is a sure thing...goalies are never sure things lol
and im pretty sure markstrom has busted already guys 25 playing his prime in the ahl best you prob get out of him is a low-mid tier back up ... florida gave up on him for a reason lol


... Planning your future based on and around promising prospects isn't anything new. Obviously no prospect is a sure thing but you try to draft and develop anyway. Otherwise you might as well trade every single draft pick for a "sure thing" that's already in the NHL.

As for Markstrom, Florida broke him but you don't know if he can be fixed or not. He's been tremendous so far in the AHL and until he falls on his face again in the NHL, cautious optimism is fair. It's not totally rare for goalies to break out late.

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... Planning your future based on and around promising prospects isn't anything new. Obviously no prospect is a sure thing but you try to draft and develop anyway. Otherwise you might as well trade every single draft pick for a "sure thing" that's already in the NHL.

As for Markstrom, Florida broke him but you don't know if he can be fixed or not. He's been tremendous so far in the AHL and until he falls on his face again in the NHL, cautious optimism is fair. It's not totally rare for goalies to break out late.


no doubt planning future with prospects shit i do the same thing with stolarz but i dont act like hes a sure thing that becomes our starter few years down the line
and i saw he was putting up pretty impressive #s in the ahl but im still not sold he put up slightly lesser #s for the panthers ahl team too

sometimes all it takes is a change of teams look at mason for example... and sometimes it doesnt help take linback for an example :lol: even miller good on sabers not so much blues good on nucks

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Feb 13 2015 07:24am
The Canucks shipped Luongo out to where he wanted to go and shipped Schneider to a team that quickly promoted him to their #1 and gives him loads of starts.

If it's a culture forming it should be positive to these guys
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The Canucks shipped Luongo out to where he wanted to go and shipped Schneider to a team that quickly promoted him to their #1 and gives him loads of starts.

If it's a culture forming it should be positive to these guys


yeah positive in the form that when they want out it should be given to them easy enough :ph34r:
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Quote (dxlightning @ Feb 12 2015 11:47pm)
Demko's 15 years behind Miller, he's not the natural successor. He's the "oh shit we need a goalie now" guy. Look at Markstrom's career. You gonna base your team's future on that?

This isn't basketball. Players aren't suddenly amazing.


So instead, you're gonna pay Ryan Miller for 3 years and keep lack and markstrom behind, while demko develops.

This is simple, when you have a surplus of something, you trade it for team needs.

If this hurts a guys feelings or mentally weakens him because other goalies were traded, then he's weak minded and couldn't handle the pressure of being a Vancouver goalie anyway.
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Markstrom is playing very well in the AHL this year and is probably going to be eased into the NHL next year (this time, done properly) while Miller finishes out his career.



What are you talking about lol. The Luongo and Schneider thing was fucked up but it was a one time thing, there's no "culture" change. In fact, with both Luongo and Schneider gone, it gets rid of the headaches. I don't know how the Canucks are "showing" anything 'cause the new management team hasn't even been here for a year.

Lack being traded is nothing more than a prospect of the old regime being let go because of there's young depth at his position.



Goalies aren't hard to find, at least temporarily. If Markstrom fully busts we can find one to fill in the gap between Miller and Demko.

There's a few mid-level free-agents every summer.


Markstrom has always played well in other leagues and been shit in the NHL. Don't get your hopes up.

It isn't a one-time thing. Signing Miller was a slap in the face to Lack. Trading Lack is a slap in the face to Demko.

Find me a goalie right now who's gonna be anywhere as good as those three and signable right this second.

Quote (Genetics @ Feb 13 2015 10:47am)
So instead, you're gonna pay Ryan Miller for 3 years and keep lack and markstrom behind, while demko develops.

This is simple, when you have a surplus of something, you trade it for team needs.

If this hurts a guys feelings or mentally weakens him because other goalies were traded, then he's weak minded and couldn't handle the pressure of being a Vancouver goalie anyway.


No, read my whole post. I'm talking about the last 3 years, not the last 3 months. Miller never should have been signed in the first place. If you honestly think the mentality that your team isn't behind you won't affect a player's performance, go watch cricket or something. It's a mishandling.

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Markstrom has always played well in other leagues and been shit in the NHL. Don't get your hopes up.

It isn't a one-time thing. Signing Miller was a slap in the face to Lack. Trading Lack is a slap in the face to Demko.

Find me a goalie right now who's gonna be anywhere as good as those three and signable right this second.



No, read my whole post. I'm talking about the last 3 years, not the last 3 months. Miller never should have been signed in the first place. If you honestly think the mentality that your team isn't behind you won't affect a player's performance, go watch cricket or something. It's a mishandling.


I agree that signing Miller was stupid, but now that it's been done, you gotta work with it.

Right now with the situation they put themselves in, one of Miller, lack, or markstrom should be traded.

Cant the mentality be that your team is behind you so much that they're willing to trade a different goalie? Or can you only look at it the way you are.

These are professional athletes. If they can't handle the possibility of trades, then they aren't cut out for it.
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