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Apr 28 2015 03:52pm
Quote (Farine @ Apr 28 2015 02:06pm)
I don't think we'll see Virtanen or McCann next year but I would love to see Gaunce and Shink push for spots on the roster.

Points from the End Season Presser with the players.




Bolded question mark players.

Forwards
Sedin Sedin Kassian
Baertschi Horvat Vrbata
Higgins Bonino Burrows
Kenins Gaunce Hansen

Dorsett/Vey.

Nothing special but it's a step in the right direction bringing in younger guys.
-Still lacking on that LW side. Don't have a true top 6 LW.
-I don't see us keeping Matthias, he'll be asking too much. Richardson might stay if management believes that Gaunce isn't ready.

Defense
Edler - Tanev
Hamhuis - Clendening
Sbisa - Corrado

Unsure what's going to happen with Bieksa & Weber.
-Would love to resign Weber
-Bieksa insists that he goes down with the ship but we'll see if that changes this offseason.
-I can't see Stanton coming back

Miller
Lack/Markstrom

-If management decides to go with Lack I still think he needs another season before he's fully given the reigns.
-Not sure how much good another AHL year will be for Markstrom as he's dominated this year.
-Expecting one of the 3 to probably get traded this off season, especially with Demko now in the prospect pool.

/e I went full derp and Forgot about Baertschi

With that being said, Shinkaruk will probably be in the AHL for another year unless he takes Kenins' spot.


Weber and Matthias are probably gone, especially when you consider their comments. We have Corrado and Clendening to take Weber's spot and Matthias will be too expensive for a 4LW.

Baerstchi has a better chance than Shinkaruk of becoming the 2LW. Shinkaruk and Gaunce both probably need another year in the A. Can't imagine McCann or Cassels will make the jump either (Cassels and Subban will be in the A).

Our lineup is pretty much gonna be the same as it was in the last game (6). Can't wait for more Sbieksa.

As good as Bieksa is in the locker room and in the community, he's a cancer for the actual hockey team now and going forward.

This post was edited by LuLer on Apr 28 2015 03:53pm
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Apr 28 2015 10:19pm
Really think Mathias would be worth investing in.....

He is a left handed shot, something we are short on.

Plus he has size, which we lack in overall.

Furthermore I think he has some real untapped offensive ability. Guy could be a 2nd liner if he could find some consistency to his game.

That being said I can see the why he may not end up staying, mainly financial reasons as you guys have pointed out.

Hard truth on Bieksa..... We need to get younger on D. I appreciate his year of service, but it may be time to part ways.

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Apr 28 2015 10:23pm
Quote (LuLer @ Apr 13 2015 08:45pm)
Sort of long IDC go cry.

My player grades for the entire regular season, based on their role and expectations:

Chris Tanev = A+ ... 22 point pace while playing very little power-play time. Can't think of many D-men in the league (if any) better than Tanev in his half of the rink. Chews up and spits out top forwards on a nightly basis.

Alex Edler = A+ ... Went from scapegoat last season to a tank this year. The Edler - Tanev pairing (top-5 pairing in the league) is one of the main reasons we're back in the playoffs. Still need him to be better offensively but his all-around game was excellent.

Radim Vrbata = A+ ... 65 point pace including over 30 goals. Guy scored clutch regular and shootout goals all season and gave the team the pure skill and talent it desperately needed. I was going to give him just an "A" but him being able to produce on the 2nd line without the Sedins makes him an "A+" player.

Jannik Hansen = A+ ... 33 points from 3rd liner who was great defensively, added a lot of energy and helped Horvat take a step. Awesome season all around for the Honey Badger.

Henrik Sedin = A ... Henrik continued on being one of the premier two-way centers in the league. Took on a heavy workload and handled it well. A few more points would have put him at a PPG pace and earned him an "A+" grade.

Daniel Sedin = A ... Big bounce back year for Daniel when most (including me) thought he might not hit 70 points again. Unfortunately he hasn't regained his sniper form but was still an elite player overall. Like Henrik, a PPG pace would have made it an "A+" grade.

Brad Richardson = A ... I've never been too high on him but I can't argue against the numbers: 38 point pace while playing tough minutes with lower-end line-mates and no PP time... that is amazing. Would have gave him an "A+" but missing half the season lowers his grade a bit.

Nick Bonino = A- ... 42 point pace for a 2nd line center who faced tough match-ups with ~3rd line wingers for almost the whole year is awesome. Probably could have had 50-55 points if he had Vrbata on his ES and PP line all year. "A-" because he did go through a major slump in the middle of the year.

Bo Horvat = A- ... Kind of a tough first half of the season (partly because the coach didn't trust him or use him enough) but by the end of the season he developed into a legit 3rd line center. Can't wait to see this guy grow up over the next decade, he's a beauty.

Dan Hamhuis = B+ ... Had a "B" season overall because of some consistency issues but that stretch of games he had where he carried an AHL defense during our injuries upgrades him a bit. He isn't as mistake-free as he used to be but there's no denying that he always makes his partner look good (Weber, Sbisa, Bieksa, etc).

Derek Dorsett = B+ ... We hate how many minutes he gets but that's not his fault. 25 points from a 4th liner that can fight/add toughness and has supposedly been very important in the locker room? I'll take that everyday.

Chris Higgins = B+ ... He's an elite 3rd liner that's asked to be a 2nd liner, so I don't want to blame him for his lack of production based on his minutes. A 38 point pace is still decent considering he admit he had trouble focusing during his slump in the middle of the year because of his name being in the rumor-mill while his wife was pregnant and they were getting settled in a new house.

Eddie Lack = B+ ... Up and down season but he was pretty good overall considering he's supposed to be our backup. Really raised his level of play down the stretch which makes most Canucks fans confident with him going into the playoffs.

Ryan Miller = B ... I think he was better than most Canucks do but the stats can't lie that much. Very average, or even below average, GAA and SV% numbers. Still, I think he offered stability and a veteran presence in net. Don't know if Lack would have succeeded if he was our starter from the beginning.

Yannick Weber = B ... All over the map which makes it really tough to give him a grade so I'm just going to go down the middle. For a lot of the season he looked like a #6/7 guy at best but at other points he did a solid job in a #2-4 role. At the end of the season he was stable on a 2nd pairing with Hamhuis and gave our top PP unit some life.

Shawn Matthias = B... Decent stats for a 3rd liner but most of his production came from one hot streak in the middle of the season. Still he was good defensively and very versatile, which made him a valuable piece of the puzzle.

Alex Burrows = B- ... Didn't have that good of a season outside of the games he played with the Sedins. He still has great chemistry with them but if he's not on their line he's a 3rd liner at best.

Ryan Stanton = C+ ... Inconsistent season after being a solid bottom-pairing guy all of last year. Wasn't awful but his regression was disappointing. Sbisa being re-signed probably means the end of his time in Vancouver, at least as a regular. Good guy to keep around as a #7 if he wants to stay.

Linden Vey = C+ ... 26-27 point pace for a rookie is decent, especially since he didn't always have the best line-mates. But he did get a lot of PP time and he wasn't exactly great defensively. Just an "okay" season but I see potential in him going forward.

Kevin Bieksa = C ... Inconsistent defensively most of the year, so bad that it even looks like he makes Sbisa worse at times. Also didn't do anything with ample PP time. Would be a "C-" grade if it wasn't for his grit, toughness and leadership.

Luca Sbisa = C ... He was good for only half the season, max, so an average "C" grade here is fair. He has a tendency to do dumb things but if he's paired with a smart, responsible guy, he can be a valuable part of our D.

Zack Kassian = I ... 42 games should be enough for a grade but this one's hard to judge. Didn't get along with the coach and had injury issues throughout the season. A lot of games he looked lazy and uninterested but in others, mostly with the Sedins, he had some strong showings.

Ronalds Kenins = I ... Only 30 games and he was kind of up and down, so I can't really give a fair grade. The players say he gave the team a jolt of energy during the doldrums of the season because of the way he plays. Can be a gritty 3rd liner going forward if he consistently sticks to what makes him successful, which he always didn't do.


Just noticed this. Fair assessment I would say.
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Apr 28 2015 10:53pm
Quote (Killingyouall @ Apr 28 2015 09:19pm)
Really think Mathias would be worth investing in.....

He is a left handed shot, something we are short on.

Plus he has size, which we lack in overall.

Furthermore I think he has some real untapped offensive ability. Guy could be a 2nd liner if he could find some consistency to his game.

That being said I can see the why he may not end up staying, mainly financial reasons as you guys have pointed out.

Hard truth on Bieksa..... We need to get younger on D. I appreciate his year of service, but it may be time to part ways.


Most of our team is left-handed. I'm assuming you mean left-winger. 2LW is going to be a big hole just like it was this year and for many years before.

I wouldn't mind keeping him either for the reasons you stated but financially it just isn't possible. Assuming none of our veterans waive (which will likely be the case), we only have about 5~ million combined to fill up depth spots like 13F, 7D, 8D and 2G.

The only way he stays is if he accepts 1M and obviously that's not happening after the decent 3rd line numbers he put up. Based on his comments it seems the writing's on the wall.

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Apr 28 2015 10:56pm
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Most of our team is left-handed. I'm assuming you mean left-winger. 2LW is going to be a big hole just like it was this year and for many years before.

I wouldn't mind keeping him either for the reasons you stated but financially it just isn't possible. Assuming none of our veterans waive (which will likely be the case), we only have about 5~ million combined to fill up depth spots like 13F, 7D, 8D and 2G.

The only way he stays is if he accepts 1M and obviously that's not happening after the decent 3rd line numbers he put up. Based on his comments it seems the writing's on the wall.


Yes that is what what I meant. My bad. And ya I think you are right sadly....

Just wish we could keep him around. He shows flashes of brilliance that leaves me wanting to see it consistently.

Too many NTC contracts are gonna really bog us down.
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Apr 28 2015 11:01pm
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Yes that is what what I meant. My bad. And ya I think you are right sadly....

Just wish we could keep him around. He shows flashes of brilliance that leaves me wanting to see it consistently.

Too many NTC contracts are gonna really bog us down.


Would have had some wiggle room if it wasn't for the terrible Dorsett and Sbisa contracts. Sbisa's new deal is especially baffling.

Pretty depressing that the team is going to be the same next season. Gonna have some wasted years until these contracts run out.
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Apr 28 2015 11:06pm
Saw a really good post about the Sbisa contract on reddit. I'll see if I can find it.

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There's been one observable "vision" to the Benning regime since it took over last summer, and it's filling the organizational void of the 2007-12 draft classes in this team. The combination of dealing away draft picks and poor drafting in previous years has resulted in practically nothing from these draft classes to show for in the Canucks system. Benning has slowly been making moves to patch that "generational gap" per se.

Luca Sbisa fits that age group that the Benning regime has been actively targeting, though he is on the older side of that (2008 draft class). More significantly, however, is that he fills another organizational void too. The fact of the matter is that the Canucks don't have a lot of depth on that left side on the blue line. After Alex Edler and Dan Hamhuis, we're looking at the likes of Sbisa and Ryan Stanton (who's older than Sbisa) in terms of players with NHL experience, or who are ready for NHL action. In the pipelines we have: Ben Hutton (who definitely needs AHL development still), Andrey Pedan (who was the result of another one of the filling the void moves by Benning), Anton Cederholm, Evan McEneny, and Peter Andersson. None of these prospects are blue-chippers by any means, and even then only Hutton and Pedan can be considered to have meaningful NHL upside. This is why there's been comments from Benning in the past that the Canucks are probably looking to take a defenseman in the 1st round of this year's draft - they are very lacking in this position throughout the organization and desperately need a blue-chipper that can poise the franchise for its future.

Therefore, I believe that the Sbisa signing is due to the lack of organizational depth to replace him with another defenseman of the same age group with either NHL experience or proven ability to make the jump to the big league. Defensemen are a sought-after commodity in the market, as teams realise that they are the keys to the NHL game today. We saw against Calgary what a blue-line is able to do in terms of not only breaking up the play, but also jump-starting their offense. Teams are hardly willing to deal away their young defensemen for this reason. The Canucks likely don't have the assets (e.g. prospects) in other areas to acquire a young defenseman via trade, and they don't have other options in-house either. Moreover, Sbisa's previous contracts limited the Canucks negotiation abilities. He had an expensive qualifying offer as a result of his previous contract signed with Anaheim. Despite his play, he's been in the NHL since he was 18, and has 7 seasons of experience under his belt. All that, in conjunction with upcoming UFA status meant the Canucks were in a "tight spot" despite how awful Sbisa's play was.
In the end, it came down to three things:

  • The Canucks didn't have the assets to replace Sbisa in the near future (over the next three years, the length of his contract)
    The Canucks likely don't have the assets to acquire a young defenseman that can replace Sbisa in the immediate future.
    Sbisa's previous contract and career status limited the organizations' options to negotiate away from the contract they ended up handing him.

Though players like David Schlemko who will be on the UFA market this off-season will most likely be better than Sbisa, I'd imagine that given the organization's direction in moving to bring in members from the 2007-12 draft classes, Benning would prefer to keep the latter and hope he develops into something useful. Sbisa's here as an expensive stop-gap in the organization's transition, until the Canucks hopefully bring up another left-handed defenseman through the draft and development. If Sbisa develops into a capable bottom-4 defenseman, that turns into a win for the Canucks. If not, well the pizzaman will be out of town by 2018.


This post was edited by Farine on Apr 28 2015 11:07pm
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Apr 28 2015 11:10pm
Quote (Farine @ Apr 28 2015 10:06pm)
Saw a really good post about the Sbisa contract on reddit. I'll see if I can find it.


Stanton at 1M > Sbisa at 3.5

Just because we need young LHDs doesn't mean we should pay an expensive price for a bad one.

Also it's possible to take a player to salary lowering arbitration (we did it successfully with Raymond).
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Apr 28 2015 11:12pm
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Stanton at 1M > Sbisa at 3.5

Just because we need young LHDs doesn't mean we should pay an expensive price for a bad one.

Also it's possible to take a player to salary lowering arbitration (we did it successfully with Raymond).


honestly, I thought Stanton was brutal this year.
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Apr 28 2015 11:36pm
Quote (LuLer @ Apr 28 2015 10:01pm)
Would have had some wiggle room if it wasn't for the terrible Dorsett and Sbisa contracts. Sbisa's new deal is especially baffling.

Pretty depressing that the team is going to be the same next season. Gonna have some wasted years until these contracts run out.


Good point.

I was surprised at the ammount of money we gave those guys.

It is becoming the norm though....

Less guys are hitting the open market which is dictating these high values.

Guaranteed someone would have offered Sbisa 4 mil or more.

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