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Apr 7 2015 09:41pm
Quote (Nearin @ Apr 7 2015 09:59pm)
Apparently a cop is being charged with murder in the shooting death of a man in south carolina.


Also in local (for me news) last week there were 2 cop involved shootings that resulted in deaths, both being investigated by SIU now.
Hectic hearing there was a shootout in my walmart's parking lot!

e/ article with vid
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000
I think they just cuffed a dead man...... and planted evidence..


yea thats crazy man. pure murder in my opinion. obviously the guy was probably fucking with the cop, but hes clearly running away...
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Apr 7 2015 10:15pm
the guy ran from a routine stop for a broken tail light on a mercedes by the sounds of it thats pretty suspicious prob a stolen car or something
the guy ran to there and you clearly see him knock something out of the cops hand (im assuming the tazer) which he then turns and runs as its not tazing him(the cop said it seemed to have no effect which is prob when it he hit out of his hands)
the cop went and picked it up and threw it on the guy yes that looks like planting evidence or maybe becasue the tazer cord things are still stuck in the guys back and thats routine to do?

the dudes obviously a criminal and running for some reason and fought the cop for the tazer trying to get away ... if he didnt do that and got put down by the tazer cop doesnt shoot him the guy did it to himself
but then again he doesnt do something illegal and run in the first place none of this happens ... not sure how the cop is made out to be the bad guy here

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Apr 7 2015 10:28pm
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the guy ran from a routine stop for a broken tail light on a mercedes by the sounds of it thats pretty suspicious prob a stolen car or something
the guy ran to there and you clearly see him knock something out of the cops hand (im assuming the tazer) which he then turns and runs as its not tazing him(the cop said it seemed to have no effect which is prob when it he hit out of his hands)
the cop went and picked it up and threw it on the guy yes that looks like planting evidence or maybe becasue the tazer cord things are still stuck in the guys back and thats routine to do?

the dudes obviously a criminal and running for some reason and fought the cop for the tazer trying to get away ... if he didnt do that and got put down by the tazer cop doesnt shoot him the guy did it to himself
but then again he doesnt do something illegal and run in the first place none of this happens ... not sure how the cop is made out to be the bad guy here


The guy was unarmed, tased and fleeing. No matter how much of a piece of work he was, there's nothing that warranted the cop unloading 8 bullets onto his back. Nevermind having the presence of mind to plant false evidence next to the body and lie to his colleagues about what transpired.
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Apr 7 2015 10:35pm
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The guy was unarmed, tased and fleeing. No matter how much of a piece of work he was, there's nothing that warranted the cop unloading 8 bullets onto his back. Nevermind having the presence of mind to plant false evidence next to the body and lie to his colleagues about what transpired.


the guy was running so the cop tazered him he knocks it out of the cops hand and starts to run id say hes got the right to shoot him he overdid it but lets be serious
what if he tried to tackle him? guy already went for the tazer why not his pistol? if the guys running and trying that hard to get away hes clearly done something seriously illegal

i agree he shouldnt have shot him 8 times but it took 8 shots to get the guy to stop... thats not normal he was prob high as fuck on something which would explain the tazer not doin fuck all
would u rather the cop just lets some drug addict criminal possible in a stolen car willing to fight an officer just get away? he could assault a single mom with 3 kids trying to jack a car to get away after the cop lets him go
and then he could run over 2 kids walking becasue hes driving too fast or crash a car with the kids in it or he could sell drugs to some kid and he dies from an OD

lets be serious people like that are better off not being out free nothing good comes from it

and as for your "planting evidence" you have zero proof thats what he was doing :lol: and if he was lieing why not say he went for his gun not his tazer?
and there was a 2nd cop there you think he would "plant evidence" right in front of them? they must both be dirty cops... but wait then the guy would have proof for his story and there good to go no? why not take the dudes phone? or shoot the guy recording while there at it?

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the guy ran from a routine stop for a broken tail light on a mercedes by the sounds of it thats pretty suspicious prob a stolen car or something
the guy ran to there and you clearly see him knock something out of the cops hand (im assuming the tazer) which he then turns and runs as its not tazing him(the cop said it seemed to have no effect which is prob when it he hit out of his hands)
the cop went and picked it up and threw it on the guy yes that looks like planting evidence or maybe becasue the tazer cord things are still stuck in the guys back and thats routine to do?

the dudes obviously a criminal and running for some reason and fought the cop for the tazer trying to get away ... if he didnt do that and got put down by the tazer cop doesnt shoot him the guy did it to himself
but then again he doesnt do something illegal and run in the first place none of this happens ... not sure how the cop is made out to be the bad guy here


The cops life was not in jeopardy etc. There's a lot to learn about use of force, so much so that it takes police countless hours of training to master it. Judgement is also something that can be practiced, though comes a lot more naturally as a talent imo.

No matter how you describe this incident, the vast majority will judge that in this instance, lethal force was not necessary.

Unfortunately this man was murdered, and with the timing of this case, the anti police brutality protests in the US will reach a new plateau.
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Apr 7 2015 10:41pm
Quote (dragoneth @ Apr 8 2015 12:35am)
the guy was running so the cop tazered him he knocks it out of the cops hand and starts to run id say hes got the right to shoot him he overdid it but lets be serious
what if he tried to tackle him? guy already went for the tazer why not his pistol? if the guys running and trying that hard to get away hes clearly done something seriously illegal

i agree he shouldnt have shot him 8 times but it took 8 shots to get the guy to stop... thats not normal he was prob high as fuck on something which would explain the tazer not doin fuck all
would u rather the cop just lets some drug addict criminal possible in a stolen car willing to fight an officer just get away? he could assault a single mom with 3 kids trying to jack a car to get away after the cop lets him go
and then he could run over 2 kids walking becasue hes driving too fast or crash a car with the kids in it or he could sell drugs to some kid and he dies from an OD

lets be serious people like that are better off not being out free nothing good comes from it

and as for your "planting evidence" you have zero proof thats what he was doing :lol: and if he was lieing why not say he went for his gun not his tazer?
and there was a 2nd cop there you think he would "plant evidence" right in front of them? they must both be dirty cops... but wait then the guy would have proof for his story and there good to go no? why not take the dudes phone? or shoot the guy recording while there at it?


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Apr 7 2015 10:41pm
hes murdered becasue everybody is looking at him as an innocent 50 year old unarmed black man that justrandomly got shot by a cop in the middle of a field parking lot thing they even bring up race like its racism that made him do it
they choose to ignore anything that happened up to that point and when they see what goes down make it out to be the worst possible thing it could be becasue the guy ended up dieing

why the fuck would anybody wanna be a cop? if this is the way people think your trying to help them and all there going to do is shit on you

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Apr 7 2015 10:47pm
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hes murdered becasue everybody is looking at him as an innocent 50 year old unarmed black man that justrandomly got shot by a cop in the middle of a field parking lot thing they even bring up race like its racism that made him do it
they choose to ignore anything that happened up to that point and when they see what goes down make it out to be the worst possible thing it could be becasue the guy ended up dieing

why the fuck would anybody wanna be a cop? if this is the way people think your trying to help them and all there going to do is shit on you


you realize cops wrestle perpetrators daily right? he could have easily pursued the suspect at a safe distance and waited for backup etc. i wont act like i know proper protocol because i dont. but i can definitely assume that they are trained not to unload a clip into a fleeing suspect in a park.
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Apr 7 2015 10:49pm
Quote (dragoneth @ Apr 8 2015 12:41am)
hes murdered becasue everybody is looking at him as an innocent 50 year old unarmed black man that justrandomly got shot by a cop in the middle of a field parking lot thing they even bring up race like its racism that made him do it
they choose to ignore anything that happened up to that point and when they see what goes down make it out to be the worst possible thing it could be becasue the guy ended up dieing

why the fuck would anybody wanna be a cop? if this is the way people think your trying to help them and all there going to do is shit on you


He shot a man who was running away in the back.

police officers are trained to only use their weapons when there is a active lethal threat to themselves or others.

A fleeing suspect does not pose that risk. a fleeing suspect you know has a gun maybe, but you cannot make that assumption, there were other officers on the way he should have stayed in pursuit and attempted to take down the suspect without lethal force.

Yes this presents a risk to the police officer, but that is why they are highly trained and well equipped as well as paid. If the suspect had turned on him and he had seen a weapon shooting is justified. Shooting because you can't catch them or a tazer didnt work is not legitimate.

He used his Service weapon outside of polcies dictated by the police force. So yes it is wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with as little as criminal negligence causing death.

He is certainly at fault though.

e/ Also Amount of shots is irrelevant, cops are trained not to draw their weapon unless they have already deemed it necessary to stop the target with lethal force, the tests for which are active and present threat to the officer or another person.
Once you draw weapon, you have deemed that the target requires lethal force and you aim to kill. Target centermass for least risk of strays. Shoot until threat eliminated.

Im not saying He made the right decison by any means, far from it. But once he decided s to shoot the amount of shots is irrelvant other than for appealing to the public.

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Apr 7 2015 10:57pm
hes only able to flee becasue he assaulted the officer
but hes an innocent unarmed 50 year old black man and he shot him becase hes racist

e/ Also Amount of shots is irrelevant, cops are trained not to draw their weapon unless they have already deemed it necessary to stop the target with lethal force, the tests for which are active and present threat to the officer or another person.
Once you draw weapon, you have deemed that the target requires lethal force and you aim to kill. Target centermass for least risk of strays. Shoot until threat eliminated.

a guy going for a cosp weapon and getting tazered with no effect running from a routine stop over a broken taillight isnt a threat to anybody?

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