Quote (StayPositive @ Mar 3 2021 03:11pm)

This is the definition of scientifically illiterate. It’s not rushed, it’s been vetted. It’s as safe, according to our experts, as any other shot you would ever receive. Saying it’s rushed and that you know more than your doctor and national health authorities means you don’t understand the scientific process. You cover yourself in Eau de Panther cologne and you probably can’t tell me every ingredient either

Quote (Secksii @ Mar 3 2021 03:09pm)

Mainly for the high risk groups, and the slim chance of you getting covid that may give you long term health complications and at worst, death. Anyway, if majority of the population did their part to get vaccinated, to greatly reduce the spread and protect those unfortunate high risk groups, this pandemic would be over much sooner and we can get back to our normal lives sooner. However, it's your own choice and body so there's nothing wrong with you not wanting to take the vaccine. I just find it extremely ironic that people are scared of vaccine's long term side effects that are much more slim and less dangerous than covid. What scares you most would be the "unknown" factor, but that unknown factor won't be worse than COVID's proven complications. Why? If you look at the history of vaccine related to covid, from the SARS family, the severe side effects/long term are very slim in general and this is just for extreme cases. You do realize that we all took shitload of vaccines when we were kids right? Our own immune system does all the rest, so it's like a natural process. Most vaccine being developed now are putting in dead virus, weakened virus, part of virus, and now the recent approval of the RNA of the virus, there's really not much to fear about it.

It's usually the people who aren't educated in vaccine developments that spread news like facts that can be believable to most people without much knowledge in the subject. For example, anti vaxxers/bunch of fear mongers first said that these vaccines are extremely rushed (not knowing it's mRNA) and even went as far as saying people will die from it, get severe complications etc and that it's a huge mistake to take it this early. So far, that didn't happen, so now they're literally digging and reaching for any news to prove themselves that they're right, like less than handful of people having severe allergic reaction to it, which is common for all vaccines anyway. Other than that it's been fairly safe as expected, cuz of extreme higher than normal standards of early phases of these vaccine developments. I don't blame them though, as they probably googled something like the average time for vaccine phases etc. They probably read some guideline referring to a brand new disease or completely new virus, which covid is not.

Also if it really was causing a lot of problems, it would have been pulled weeks ago, and 100% of news/reporters would be QQing and milking the shit out of how dangerous these vaccines are, and how stupid it was for them to release it etc. It didn't happen, so now they moved onto "long term side effects, unknown", although 5+ years later it won't even be news cuz even if there was long term complications it won't be worse than covid complications, but hey if you're the unfortunate 1 in a million guy that somehow got rekt by it, you will be rich af! with covid, eh tough luck.

You remember h1n1 right? that vaccine took less than 12 months to develop, with far less participants in the trial than this one with almost 50k. They're the same family as covid, the last pandemic, and the same anti- vaxers/fear mongers also cried about how dangerous it could be, the long term complications yadia yadia ya, which none of it is really news today. The worst event from that vaccine was recalls for the kids, because it wasn't potent enough, which has nothing to do with long term complications. However, anti vaxers/fear mongers are still looking for AHA! i knew it! someone got long term complication from the rushed vaccine!!! I WAS RIGHTTTTTTTT moment... although it seems to have moved onto covid vaccine since that's the focus now.

Quote (StayPositive @ Mar 3 2021 06:11pm)

This is the definition of scientifically illiterate. It’s not rushed, it’s been vetted. It’s as safe, according to our experts, as any other shot you would ever receive. Saying it’s rushed and that you know more than your doctor and national health authorities means you don’t understand the scientific process. You cover yourself in Eau de Panther cologne and you probably can’t tell me every ingredient either

Quote (KrWWW @ Mar 3 2021 04:29pm)

It's definitely being rushed, they don't even deny it

Quote (StayPositive @ Mar 3 2021 06:53pm)

Rushed as in a new vaccine created to combat a new disease in a record 1 year, beating the previous record of 4 years? Absolutely, which is a massive scientific achievement.

Rushed as in unsafe? The entire world’s scientific community is working on these vaccines. The most ‘powerful’ man in the world is a 78 year old Joe Biden. You are trying to tell me you’re more of an expert on this than the doctors who injected it into him months ago? That’s an embarrassing take. Nobody is saying these vaccines are unsafe but anti-intellectuals and the scientifically illiterate.

Quote (KrWWW @ Mar 3 2021 04:58pm)

I agree that scientists and researchers trust their findings and putting their careers on the line for this vaccine, I'm just saying they haven't done the steps for side effects

Big pharma puts billions of dollars a side for potential law suits

Quote (StayPositive @ Mar 3 2021 04:04pm)

Every doctor I know has already received it. If you guys are the smartest people in the room and don’t want it, I’ll gladly take your spot in line. T4t

Quote (StayPositive @ Mar 3 2021 07:04pm)

Every doctor I know has already received it. If you guys are the smartest people in the room and don’t want it, I’ll gladly take your spot in line. T4t

Quote (dirTyMan @ 3 Mar 2021 15:27)

Wouldn’t the at risk people already have gotten vaccinated anyway?

Quote (Secksii @ Mar 3 2021 09:10pm)

I'll try to simplify it further

Vaccine =/= 100% immunity to COVID. It's like 95% efficacy, which also does not mean that 95% ppl are protected from covid.

"Simple mathematics helps. If we vaccinated a population of 100 000 and protected 95% of them, that would leave 5000 individuals diseased over 3 months, which is almost the current overall COVID-19 case rate in the UK. Rather, a 95% vaccine efficacy means that instead of 1000 COVID-19 cases in a population of 100 000 without vaccine (from the placebo arm of the abovementioned trials, approximately 1% would be ill with COVID-19 and 99% would not) we would expect 50 cases (99·95% of the population is disease-free, at least for 3 months)."

Going from 1000 cases down to 50 cases is huge and decreases hospital being over-capacity in such short amount of time.

It's really not coincidence where countries that wore masks and the government took swift and strict actions didn't suffer as hard as places that gave no fucks. Taiwan and Korea handled it well, like sure korea is a size of a dot on the map compared to murica & canada, but that tiny dot has more population than Canada, social distancing would've been next to impossible if they had the same mentality as murica, calling it scam, fake news etc.etc. Isn't it hilarious when Trump admin said it's not a biggie, but then when vaccines were available they cut in line to take the vaccine before they left the office for the fake virus? lol.

Basically there are more people that aren't in the at risk group, so let's say that we all decide to say fuck the boomers, fuck my gramps, idgaf cuz im healthy and that's all i care about. So it doesn't matter if 100% of at risk people are fully vaccinated, because the non at risk people didn't take any vaccine to help reduce the risk for them, so while the at risk people will have less chance of getting it than without the vaccine, they're still fucked because majority of the population didn't and is still spreading it, and with 95% efficacy example above, they're bound to get it and get fucked