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Jun 2 2021 08:57pm
Quote (Tosted @ 2 Jun 2021 22:56)
Agreed


That being said, I also agree that there is some responsibility on player 71. But players hunting for dangerous hits when a guy is coming from around the net is not a new thing, Sheifele definitely went overboard

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Quote (LuLer @ Jun 2 2021 07:53pm)
The charging rule is about as muddy as it gets. The rulebook says "shall mean the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner".

So what constitutes said distance? What if Schiefele started from his own blueline instead? The player could have still been concussed easily.

Every hit starts with the player skating from X distance.

And where the hell else was he going to skate? He's down 1 with 1 minute left in a playoff game and he's the first guy back with the other team looking to score an empty net goal lol


he skated end to end lol

players skate that distance all the time, you see it most obviously when they transition from zone to zone and the puck gets dumped in. there's a reason why everyone slows down to fight along the boards instead of railroading the first man to the puck.
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I think he is getting suspended, I'm thinking either 2 or 3 games. You?

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Maybe I just don't get the intent thing. Because it's a slippery slope, that IMO will lead to:

"Well I'm going to keep my head down so he can't hit me and if he does that's on him because that's him trying to hurt me."

And that's already happening, which leads to hits like this one. How about all the players these days that turn their backs at the very last second when they are against the boards and then are surprised when they get boarded?

If we're going to a place where it's the hitter's responsibility not to hurt a player who is putting himself in a vulnerable position out of ignorance, arrogance or stupidity they should just remove hitting.
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Quote (LuLer @ 2 Jun 2021 23:01)
Maybe I just don't get the intent thing. Because it's a slippery slope, that IMO will lead to:

"Well I'm going to keep my head down so he can't hit me and if he does that's on him because that's him trying to hurt me."

And that's already happening, which leads to hits like this one. How about all the players these days that turn their backs at the very last second when they are against the boards and then are surprised when they get boarded?

If we're going to a place where it's the hitter's responsibility not to hurt a player who is putting himself in a vulnerable position out of ignorance, arrogance or stupidity they should just remove hitting.


I don't totally disagree with you, I think most time those kinds of plays do happen so fast and guys clip heads by accident or won't have time to stop when a guy turns last minute.

This play in particular though it looked pretty clear that he had plenty of time to think it through, and his intent was to destroy a guy rather than try to stop a goal. It wasn't completely late so you could MAYBE argue that he WAS trying to prevent the goal (I'm sure Shiefele will), I just won't buy it in this instance. In 2021 both players have responsiblity, if this was 20 years ago everyone would agree it was clean

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I think he is getting suspended, I'm thinking either 2 or 3 games. You?


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Quote (Hizkuntza @ 2 Jun 2021 22:50)
the rules are clear that you can't zoom across the ice at top speed and lay down a hit for maximum damage. that's literally what the charging penalty is. the onus is on Scheifele to either make a play with the stick or letup, not for Evans to avoid the hit. it's like blaming a pedestrian for not looking both ways when he gets run over by a car that doesn't break.


More like the car saw it as an opportunity to hit someone and didn't break.

This post was edited by Meatstick on Jun 2 2021 09:20pm
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Jun 2 2021 09:13pm
Is Scheifele supposed to play hard? Absolutely

However when you watch the replay, if he would have tried to use his stick to make a play or dive, he could have potentially prevented that goal and his team still had 50 seconds left to tie up the game.

I saw zero attempt to even make a play on the puck. This looks like 100% targeting to me. He was looking to hurt the guy.

Some people say clean hit, some people say late hit, but the end result is somebody got stretchered off the ice in a situation where it seemed unnecessary. It's a slippery slope

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Quote (Mystic_Bardock @ Jun 2 2021 07:32pm)
Puck was in the net and then Scheifele came charging in at full speed. You can't make hits after goals lmao you're dumb as fuck bro.


Ayyy they let you back in, stupid nazi mods trying go lock you out of your account smgdh
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There are too many things clearly wrong and also possibly wrong with the hit for the league to not give a game or two

Its probably charging, def late, def targeting, maybe hit to the head, def unnecessary, etc.

Scheifele has been a sneaky dirty fuck for the last few years so im not surprised.

A few years ago he made a similar play late in the game they were going to lose
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Jun 2 2021 10:08pm
Quote (Hizkuntza @ Jun 2 2021 10:50pm)
the rules are clear that you can't zoom across the ice at top speed and lay down a hit for maximum damage. that's literally what the charging penalty is. the onus is on Scheifele to either make a play with the stick or letup, not for Evans to avoid the hit. it's like blaming a pedestrian for not looking both ways when he gets run over by a car that doesn't break.


didnt krug do that a few years ago?

This post was edited by partank on Jun 2 2021 10:09pm
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I have to admit, i didn't see this hit coming cuz i was thinking like oh shit will Evans pull a Stefan and wipe out behind the net and cause it to go the other way?!?
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