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Aug 8 2023 08:26pm
I think this was a good trade for the Pens, pretty much like an EA trade where you package together a bunch of little things you don't really need for a star player lol. Contract lines up with the rest of their aging core.
Their top-6 and top-4 is pretty solid now but by no means are they are a contender with their lack of depth and questions in net (Jarry can't stay healthy).

MTL gets a free 2nd round pick and potentially more if Petry's game can hold up. No brainer for them considering they gave up almost nothing (one dimensional winger).

Like the Meier trade, Sharks got a lot of quantity and little quality. The vets they took back might not garner them anything more than 3rd round picks if they were to flip them.
Yes the contract was likely very tough to deal but at the same time, you'd want at least one "A" piece when you give up a player like Karlsson.
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Aug 8 2023 11:22pm
Quote (LuLer @ 8 Aug 2023 22:26)
Like the Meier trade, Sharks got a lot of quantity and little quality. The vets they took back might not garner them anything more than 3rd round picks if they were to flip them.
Yes the contract was likely very tough to deal but at the same time, you'd want at least one "A" piece when you give up a player like Karlsson.


Hardly any retention, a mid-1st and if they flip those players for 3rd round picks like you say I think that's a decent return.

Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Karlsson is going to be nasty to watch tho damn
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Aug 9 2023 12:18am
hoffman has 1 year left granlund 2 sharks arent going to be competitive they could potentially retain on them and get a better return
rutta looked decent from what i saw of him towards the deadline might see a team pick him up for picks


dumba went to arizona? rough lol

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Aug 9 2023 03:58am
Quote (dragoneth @ 9 Aug 2023 08:18)
hoffman has 1 year left granlund 2 sharks arent going to be competitive they could potentially retain on them and get a better return
rutta looked decent from what i saw of him towards the deadline might see a team pick him up for picks


dumba went to arizona? rough lol


I think sharks only have 1 retention slot remaining. So they can't do what the other fire sale teams did
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Aug 10 2023 06:11pm
Quote (Hizkuntza @ Aug 6 2023 10:02pm)
IMO the trade was a great swing at the fences by Dubas. The team isn't going anywhere without Crosby and Malkin, they're slowly declining and the window needs to be forced open as long as possible. They have 2 maybe 3 players tops who could make a splash on an ELC and nothing afterwards, their main roster players are either prime aged or 30+. There's no point in holding futures that would only have an impact 4+ years from now, Pens have to be all-in then once the two superstars have nothing left to give, implode and rebuild.

Dubas' problem to solve is needing to unfuck the myriad of terrible contracts Hextall handed out while acquiring win-now players with limited assets. With the Karlsson trade he somehow managed to make that win-now move while simultaneously dumping several bad contracts and not needing to give up the few prized prospects the org still has. Ruuta was a loss but not much, he's the kind of boring sandpaper guy needed for playoffs but he can easily be replaced down the road. The team improved considerably, came out healthier capwise for the next two seasons and still has fat to shed.

This was a chel trade for the Penguins. On the surface the Sharks did fine considering Karlsson's massive contract and NTC, but the questions that will linger is why didn't Grier simply retain more to get a better return - granted there was no better time to make the trade, but with only minimal retention I don't think any team attempting to contend other than the Penguins would try to make it work. Even for someone as good as Karlsson, he could regress or have another major injury - in which case the team would be stuck with a gigantic caphit they wouldn't be able to move for years. So there was only one team where the right decision was to accept that risk.


This is what I was wondering as well.

When you are in a full rebuild you should be weaponizing the cap to the max.

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Aug 10 2023 06:15pm
QMJHL officially bans fighting.

Thoughts on this?


I can see the need to eliminate the idea of low skill level 17 year old's fighting every game just to get noticed but an outright ban seems out of whack.

I see nothing wrong with heat of the moment fighting.

At the NHL level if you can't skate you can't play anyways. It's not like teams are employing players to play a few minutes a game just to get into a fight anymore.

A heat of the moment fight is great to watch. I was never as interested in the scripted fights.
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Aug 10 2023 06:30pm
Quote (Killingyouall @ Aug 10 2023 05:15pm)
QMJHL officially bans fighting.

Thoughts on this?


I can see the need to eliminate the idea of low skill level 17 year old's fighting every game just to get noticed but an outright ban seems out of whack.

I see nothing wrong with heat of the moment fighting.

At the NHL level if you can't skate you can't play anyways. It's not like teams are employing players to play a few minutes a game just to get into a fight anymore.

A heat of the moment fight is great to watch. I was never as interested in the scripted fights.


Don't like it. It's not just that hockey is a contact sport but that contact is effectively unavoidable even if players didn't intentionally throw hits. We flame refs a lot but at game speed it isn't always straight forward to tell whether a sussy hit or collision was a penalty or not. So there will always be situations where players know they had a bad hit/dirty play but weren't called for it, and they have to answer the bell for that.

Sure, keep fighting away from kids but CHL is a grey area. Maybe you don't want overagers pounding on 16 y/os but I think banning the practice entirely will leave many unprepared for the pros.
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Aug 10 2023 07:19pm
Quote (Killingyouall @ Aug 10 2023 09:15pm)
QMJHL officially bans fighting.

Thoughts on this?


I can see the need to eliminate the idea of low skill level 17 year old's fighting every game just to get noticed but an outright ban seems out of whack.

I see nothing wrong with heat of the moment fighting.

At the NHL level if you can't skate you can't play anyways. It's not like teams are employing players to play a few minutes a game just to get into a fight anymore.

A heat of the moment fight is great to watch. I was never as interested in the scripted fights.


The was a political decision not a hockey one

I forget the exact details, maybe someone can elaborate, but from my understanding the league was forced to do this by the Quebec government or they would not allow the league to operate in the province.

It’s unfortunate imo

This post was edited by SharpNips on Aug 10 2023 07:24pm
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Aug 10 2023 11:51pm
Quote (SharpNips @ Aug 10 2023 09:19pm)
The was a political decision not a hockey one

I forget the exact details, maybe someone can elaborate, but from my understanding the league was forced to do this by the Quebec government or they would not allow the league to operate in the province.

It’s unfortunate imo


yikes
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Aug 11 2023 06:18am
Quote (Killingyouall @ 11 Aug 2023 02:11)
This is what I was wondering as well.

When you are in a full rebuild you should be weaponizing the cap to the max.


Maybe he thinks he can rebuild faster than 4 yrs. Having 6m of cap used on another team's player for that long is huge.

Lol and if the league left Quebec, they woulda cried about it

This post was edited by Secksii on Aug 11 2023 06:20am
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