"Someone from Ontario will say they're Ontarian before they say they're a Newfie or a Quebecker" - Why would they lie? What does this have to do with anything? Go in another country and they will label themselves as a Canadian. A French Quebecer will label himself as a Quebecer.

"In the census, Quebecois identified themselves as Canadian" - Because Quebecois was not an option.

"You said most Quebecois will strongly object to being labeled as Canadian" - You're putting words in my mouth then using those words to argue with yourself. I never said a Quebecois would strongly object to be labeled as a Canadian. My point was you meet a Quebecois in another country, lets say Cuba, someone asks him where he is from he will say Quebec. I have been before and ask someone from Toronto or BC and they will say Canada, unless they know you are from Canada too.

You brought this way too far and argueing with a cencus that has nothing to do what I'm talking about and didn't take my point the right way.

This post was edited by h4bs on Jan 6 2015 02:42pm

I say I'm Canadian, not a British Columbian

cause you're not the only french speaking province like Quebec is
well except maybe new-brunswick but french % is lot less.

This post was edited by BiG_BeN on Jan 6 2015 02:44pm

Exactly..

A french canadian is a Quebecer, even when you ask him in another country. That's what a lot of them identify themselves as, and that's fine...

This post was edited by h4bs on Jan 6 2015 02:46pm

No no

The census...65%
The sky is canada
Pi you aimer poutine
!!!!!

Your point? Scottish people are scared to lose their cultural identity (even though Scottish is culture has been intertwined with English culture for hundreds of years), but they still voted down separatism and most would self-identify as British as well as Scottish.



If you want to have a discussion with someone, be professional. I wouldn't flame people back if people actually addressed points I made in a rational manner. I can easily have a discussion about the identity of a Quebecois ethnic group without it descending into "you're wrong". There's two sides to the argument, both have some valid points and some not so valid points. It's an actual debate in academia. You can treat it like a real debate, or you can treat it like a hostile argument. I'm fine with doing either, I'd like to do the former, but I suppose that's too much to expect



It's separating geographical identity from cultural identity. Of course a Quebecois person will identify themselves as being from Quebec. That doesn't mean they would be hostile to someone saying they're Canadian.

And my point is if Quebecois objected to being labeled as Canadian's they would view saying they are Canadian as much of a lie as identifying themselves as Australian. If one is hostile to being called Canadian, they would not self-identify as Canadian even if their preferred choice was not on it. You said "French Quebecers aren't Canadians though. Tell them they are Canadian lol and it's like waaaaaaaaaaaaaaat... I'm not Canadian!". That isn't objecting to being called Canadian? A Scottish person in Canada when you ask them where they are from they will say Scotland. This doesn't mean they wouldn't identify as British, it just means they're Scottish. Quebecois is a sub-culture of the Canadian identity. Which is why most Quebecois will say they are both Quebecois and Canadian when reported to. Only 30% of Quebecois will identify as only Quebecois.

I didn't bring this way to far. I don't agree with the assertion that Quebecois are not Canadian.

you brought separatism into the discussion. From the whole start i've been talking about language, about respecting, if u can, the language spoken where you are.

like..if you come to Montreal, are able to speak french, even if your main language is english, you speak french.

It will be so greatly welcomed, you have no idea.

This post was edited by BiG_BeN on Jan 6 2015 02:51pm

Quebecois are Canadian. And if you give them the option of being Canadian or Australian why the hell would they not pick Canadian?

"Only 30% of Quebecois will identify as only Quebecois." What is this stat? Where did you get that 30% french quebecers label themselves as quebecois? I didn't say all quebecers do

Anyways, I don't expect someone not living here understanding

This post was edited by h4bs on Jan 6 2015 02:54pm

Caedus like arguing with....what u didnt say

We have full towns and cities here where the mass majority of the population is French. They're not quebecors