Quote (h4bs @ Jan 6 2015 02:57pm)
I said Quebecers will identify themselves as Quebecois over Canadian. I never said they would lie and say they are Irish or Australian over being Canadian.
Quebecois will say they are Canadian waaaaay before they say they are from France.
My point was that a french Quebecer will identify themselves by their province before their country. Now you tell me I'm wrong because 65% voted Canadian (this INCLUDES English Quebecers and others living here) in a NATIONALITY CENSUS that DOES NOT have QUEBEC as an option.
I don't even know how to tell you how irrelevant that cencus is to what I said.
And what's the point of this? Of course people will identify themselves by their region. Someone from Ontario will say they're Ontarian before they say they're a Newfie or a Quebecker. But that's not the point of an ethnic origin. You identify yourself, not by geography but by your culture. In the census, Quebecois identified themselves as Canadian. If Quebecois are not Canadian, then identify as something else. If Quebecois do not identify as Canadian then saying you are Canadian on a census is as much lying as identifying as Australian.
I don't agree that a French Quebecois will identify as being from Quebec over being from Canada. That's separatist rhetoric, and we see how well the separatists have done recently. How can you justify saying most Quebecois would not like being identified as Canadian? Anecdotal evidence isn't proof. English Canadians tend to self-identify as English in ethnic origins surveys. Every other ethnicity is of negligible weight.
This is completely relevant to what you said. You said most Quebecois will strongly object to being labeled as Canadian. If this as true, these people wouldn't identify as Canadian in the census even if there wasn't a Quebecois option. Recent polling data suggests about ~30% of Quebeckers identify as Quebecois only. The rest will either identify as both Quebecois and Canadian, just Canadian, or a combination of Quebecois/Canadian and something else. The people who object to being called Canadians are separatists, and they're in the minority.
If you were making this claim in the 1980s or early 1990s, you might be right. But ever since the referendums failed, this is not the prevailing view.
Quote (dragoneth @ Jan 6 2015 02:55pm)
06 census un-refutable guys
just stop
Yes because something has happened in the last nine years that has caused people in Quebec to suddenly en masse stop thinking of themselves as Canadian and start thinking of themselves as something else. In nine years, where no one can cite any events that would cause the identity of Quebecois to substantially change their identity away from being Canadian, Quebecois have stopped being Canadian. It took hundreds of years for Flemish to consider themselves no longer Dutch. It took a debilitating occupation and war for Austrians to stop considering themselves Germans. But the Quebecois? It took nine years between 2006 and 2015 to stop considering themselves Canadian. You heard it here guys, from Drago, a preeminent constructivist scholar specializing in Quebecois cultural and ethnic identity.
Maybe you should see a doctor for your foot in mouth syndrome.
Quote (Galchenyuk @ Jan 6 2015 02:57pm)
It honestly amazes how you guys keep arguing with guys like caedus and pcgamig
What a fucking stupid and childish comment. Yes please stop arguing with me, it means you accept my rational argument and have stopped the behaviour of getting upset/flaming when someone disagrees with you.
This post was edited by Caedus on Jan 6 2015 02:19pm