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Dec 22 2014 11:32am
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no doubt in my mind that some weirdo who calimed to be the son of god and got crucified for it actually existed. Much easier for me to believe that


Or there was a fiction author, and back then people wete gullible to accept fiction as fact
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Dec 22 2014 11:43am
Even atheist historians/anthropologists agree that a historical Jesus existed. The evidence is overwhelming (he's mentioned by Roman historians and Roman documents from the time period).
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Dec 22 2014 11:46am
Quote (Meatstick @ Dec 22 2014 09:32am)
Or there was a fiction author, and back then people wete gullible to accept fiction as fact



There's actually no debate as to whether there was a dude named Jesus who had a following of some sort in Israel around 30 BCE, and that he was later killed around 33-35 by the Romans by crucifixion. He's listed in both Roman and Jewish histories at the time, although often very briefly, and alongside other politics/religious leaders of the time in lists of trouble makers executed by the Romans.

See: Tacitus and Josephus.

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Even atheist historians/anthropologists agree that a historical Jesus existed. The evidence is overwhelming (he's mentioned by Roman historians and Roman documents from the time period).


Beat me to it

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Dec 22 2014 11:46am
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Even atheist historians/anthropologists agree that a historical Jesus existed. The evidence is overwhelming (he's mentioned by Roman historians and Roman documents from the time period).


He's just been spun to be thought of as a white male in his mid 20s with luxurious brown hair and a well kept beard who spoke english as we know it today.
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Dec 22 2014 11:53am
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He's just been spun to be thought of as a white male in his mid 20s with luxurious brown hair and a well kept beard who spoke english as we know it today.


And spun to be born dec 25th just in time to meet the pagan winter solstice celebration, :unsure:
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Dec 22 2014 11:56am
Quote (Caedus @ 22 Dec 2014 12:43)
Even atheist historians/anthropologists agree that a historical Jesus existed. The evidence is overwhelming (he's mentioned by Roman historians and Roman documents from the time period).


I agree that a Jesus existed, it has been proven, other than that, not so much. I also think there is a lot of speculation regarding his life taken as fact. Surrounding Jesus though, I can believe a lot about how he lived, and where he travelled, but not much else

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Dec 22 2014 11:58am
Jesus was a carpenter, Yeezy - he laid the beats.
Hova flow - the Holy Ghost, get the hell up out your seats.
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Dec 22 2014 12:07pm
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I agree that a Jesus existed, it has been proven, other than that, not so much. I also think there is a lot of speculation regarding his life taken as fact. Surrounding Jesus though, I can believe a lot about how he lived, and where he travelled, but not much else


Well obviously a lot of what Christians say he did he probably didn't do, but that's not really a problem. We can't really prove that any historical figure from a long time ago really did or didn't do. What we do know is Jesus existed, and he was a Jewish heretic who became the focal point for a religion founded shortly after his death.
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Dec 22 2014 12:09pm
it baffles me how anyone can believe in god and jesus in a way the bible says. or any other ridiculous religio. i guess it all comes down to fear of death, what is after life and people who don't know how to live a happy life without something like religion
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Dec 22 2014 12:13pm
Quote (Rzi @ Dec 22 2014 01:09pm)
it baffles me how anyone can believe in god and jesus in a way the bible says. or any other ridiculous religio. i guess it all comes down to fear of death, what is after life and people who don't know how to live a happy life without something like religion


is that why you praise teemu?
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