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Oct 11 2020 10:57am
Quote (Secksii @ Oct 11 2020 08:51am)
There was 2 ways Benning could have done,

first is your way, sell the future and go for "win now" window with 6 anchor contracts. Even if Benning managed to bring Tanev, Markstrom and Toffoli back, the team is still not good enough to be in the same tier as cup contending teams like boston, tampa, and vegas.
Benning could've aquired OEL and gave Arizona Demko (rumor is they wanted demko, but benning didn't budge). So Benning would've gave them picks + demko + cap dump to re-sign all those ufa's back.
The Canucks would be much more competitive right away, but be severely held back with the shitty bottom 6 with anchor contracts to improve the team any further. When 2022 comes along and most of their shit contracts are gone, they have new ones from OEL, tanev and markstrom to long term.
Then pray Markstrom has another 3 years to be competitive/MVP be injure free, tanev and edler are most likely 3rd pair or hanging in there. Gotta remember the Canucks only made the playoffs because of win %, it looked like they were going to miss the playoffs if the season continued on.

second way is what i think benning is doing, let the key players leave because of longer term they wanted and not be tied down to them when the current anchor contracts are gone. Take a step back this coming season, see what the kids got, they currently have all their picks for next season as they didnt give it away to arizona for OEL (possibly higher pick from regressing), basically use this covid season to see what prospects can make the jump or dump, and see what they got before making further decisions for the 2022 window. With Petey and Hughes locked up next year, only the canucks core would be locked up (horvat and miller still on cap friendly deals) then use the huge amount of cap space they have to compliment the core for a geunine run for the cup. 2022 and onwards this canuck team would be so much better than the 1st option, 2022 and onwards team as crucial key players like markstrom,tanev,OEL etc. are paid, locked up and verge of declining. biggest issue the canucks were being held back were the backend core and the bottom 6, all of those problems will be revamped and the canucks would still have their core intact.

Losing Toffoli sucks too, as Benning paid for him to play only like 20 games. However, he made the trade early on before the price got absurdly high around to league considering worse players went for much more later on. The Canucks dumped Schaller in that trade as well, so i look at it like we traded Madden for Toffoli, 2nd pick for Schaller's cap dump. Had Benning not made the trade, i think canucks would have been stuck with schaller's cap too. There was no way the canucks would have made it to the playoffs even with the win % if there was no toffoli to replace boeser and injured markstrom. That means no valuable playoff experience for the young team, owning the wild, blues and almost the knights, and no witnessing demko becoming inhuman for 3 games etc. but i guess they woulda been happy to draft the goalie ian clark wanted so bad with their 2nd pick, and give a high 1st pick to tampa/jersey in the process lolol


The Luongo penalty will be gone by then too. I still think it's a joke the league has punished the Canucks for this. It is their fault for not properly setting up a protocol when the cap was introduced. We are not the only team who abused a system that was so poorly implemented.

I am really pissed at Benning for having such terrible asset management but I can understand why he let guys walk. Stecher I would have kept at the 1.7 million though, however he may have decided to leave as soon as he was not qualified.

The Eriksson contract was not signed by him but he needs to take responsibility for signing bottom six veterans to long term deals with a high cap hit. I can understand we needed some leaders to teach the young guys, but it was a huge mistake to give them term and conditions.


As much as I hate it I think option two is better as well. Too many shitty contracts bogging the team down right now. Getting rid of them would cost them future draft picks for years.

It's just a real shame because if it was not for all these bad contracts the Canucks could have had two windows to win. Right now with the Petey/Hughes Elc's and in the future with the emergence of other prospects and freed up cap space.

This post was edited by Killingyouall on Oct 11 2020 10:58am
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Oct 11 2020 11:34am
Quote (Killingyouall @ 11 Oct 2020 09:57)
The Luongo penalty will be gone by then too. I still think it's a joke the league has punished the Canucks for this. It is their fault for not properly setting up a protocol when the cap was introduced. We are not the only team who abused a system that was so poorly implemented.

I am really pissed at Benning for having such terrible asset management but I can understand why he let guys walk. Stecher I would have kept at the 1.7 million though, however he may have decided to leave as soon as he was not qualified.

The Eriksson contract was not signed by him but he needs to take responsibility for signing bottom six veterans to long term deals with a high cap hit. I can understand we needed some leaders to teach the young guys, but it was a huge mistake to give them term and conditions.


As much as I hate it I think option two is better as well. Too many shitty contracts bogging the team down right now. Getting rid of them would cost them future draft picks for years.

It's just a real shame because if it was not for all these bad contracts the Canucks could have had two windows to win. Right now with the Petey/Hughes Elc's and in the future with the emergence of other prospects and freed up cap space.


What I don't understand is the NHL initially approved the contract, and when other teams severely abused it to the point nhl said its enough, they decide to include Canucks as well? Lol. The Canucks approved it in the CBA renewal, but I still feel like they shouldn't have been included. What pisses me off most is that the Canucks are the first team to be penalized for it, and then when the league realizes how severe the punishment can be, they decide to adjust it again to help out other teams like Nashville. Having an insane 20+m cap is a lot different than 9m cap for couple years or something. It's stupid, if league wants to punish, stick to the fucking plan. Stop changing it for other teams, when they were the reason the nhl implemented the penalty in the first place.

I can't really blame Benning for letting them walk for nothing, I mean sure he could've decided to trade em earlier on for picks but that means no playoff chance at all and probably lose his job? Fans and media woulda been like wtf?! Thought we were competitive, why sell assets all of sudden? He couldn't have gotten even a 7th pick for these guys after being eliminated in the playoffs since everyone knows they'll be FA anyway.

From the reports, Benning camp asked stechers camp to wait til noon after Barrie situation is resolved. However stechers agent said it can't wait as they can lose out on offers. I feel like that's a terrible job by the agent lol. Unless Detroit or other teams specifically said take it or leave it and u got 10min to decide, I really don't see the harm in waiting few min or even an hour to weigh all options. Especially when u can keep ur client happy by having a good chance to stay home AND potentially make more money.

To be fair, I don't think Benning or anyone else could have foreseen they draft a 1c and 1d falling to them at pick #5 and 7. It significantly sped up the rebuild. It sucks we can't take advantage of their elc and compete, but at least they're set up to succeed assuming Benning doesn't go against his plan and suddenly sign more aging or roster holding players for more than 2 years from now

This post was edited by Secksii on Oct 11 2020 11:37am
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Oct 11 2020 05:03pm
Wow

Schmidt to Panthers so Vegas can sign Pietrangelo

Hall to Buffalo

WTF
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Oct 11 2020 05:14pm
Quote (LuLer @ 11 Oct 2020 16:03)
Wow

Schmidt to Panthers so Vegas can sign Pietrangelo

Hall to Buffalo

WTF


GG fuckkkk Vegas so legit
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GG fuckkkk Vegas so legit


Wouldn't discount the loss of Schmidt. Overall it's not that gigantic of an upgrade.

1 x 8M for Hall. Play with Eichel and cash in big next year.
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Oct 11 2020 05:47pm
Schmidt not going to panthers.
Watch he go to us so I can go cry in a corner.
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Oct 11 2020 05:50pm
Quote (LuLer @ Oct 11 2020 06:25pm)
Wouldn't discount the loss of Schmidt. Overall it's not that gigantic of an upgrade.

1 x 8M for Hall. Play with Eichel and cash in big next year.


Wouldve much rather the blues signed hall to 1x8 than get krug
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Oct 11 2020 06:09pm
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Oct 11 2020 06:10pm
Quote (LuLer @ 11 Oct 2020 19:03)
Wow

Schmidt to Panthers so Vegas can sign Pietrangelo

Hall to Buffalo

WTF



Schmidt to Panthers? Where
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Oct 11 2020 06:12pm
Only 1yr for Hall 😒😒😒
Would've been perfect for Boston's 4 lines fuhhhh
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