but once dermott or hymen come back leafs are fucked unless they cleared cap space thats why clark+horton are so handy u know there not comin back its free cap
horton+clarkson on IR only give 10.550m which isnt enough for marner..or is it

This post was edited by dragoneth on Jul 24 2019 01:31pm

I feel like leafs and Marner have their # close but waiting on other RFAs before they sign

The leafs had ~3 mil in cap space prior to trade , with clarkson they are now 2.2 mil over the cap. Once the LTIR’s are placed they have ~8.3 mil in space. There are some minor active roster spot moves that could give them a few more $ but as it stands they need to clear around 1 mil in space to sign marner.


Travis dermot would only save them around 100k in space since he only makes 860,000. If he goes on LTIR someone comes into his spot so you only save the difference between the contracts.
It would make more sense to go with a 19/20 man active roster to save 700k, if that’s even allowed.

This post was edited by remco6 on Jul 24 2019 01:41pm

Just waive ceci, no one gonna pick him up for 4.5mil cap jajaja

Having clarkson is good for leafs cuz they know he's gonna stay IR and not come back like horton. Whereas dermott/Hyman will be back when healthy.

This post was edited by Secksii on Jul 24 2019 03:17pm

inb4 canucks pickup ceci

Pls no
Thank God for luongos cap penalty whew

Waiving ceci would only save the 1mil you get from burying a contract.

Is there specific advantages to picking up the clarkson contract tho? I’m not understanding how it works if there is.

1 Start 3 mil under cap
2 get clarkson go to 2 mil over
3 LTIR him get back to 3under
4 ????

I'll post most of the athletics article here

One of the most important things to keep in mind is that it really matters when you go into LTIR and how much space you have under the cap at that point. Using LTIR does allow teams to exceed the cap, but only to the extent they need to in order to compensate for that contract.

The end result of that formula is the closer you are to the cap when you go into LTIR, the better.

The Leafs were not actually that close to the cap prior to acquiring Clarkson from Vegas. The biggest reason is they are holding cap space for Mitch Marner for whenever that stalemate finally gets resolved.

Leaving that big open space, however, made using LTIR to its full potential more difficult.

What Pridham needed to find was a way to temporarily add cap space that wasn’t ultimately going to cost them against the cap.

CapFriendly illustrates this pretty well with the current Leafs roster they have up. Without Clarkson’s $5.25 million cap hit, that group of 21 players listed would be $76.98 million – or roughly $4.5 million under the cap – entering the year.

If the Leafs put Nathan Horton’s $5.3 million contract on LTIR under those circumstances, that would free up only another $800,000. (They could theoretically recall a few more players and expand that figure by a million or two, but not use LTIR to its full potential.)

That LTIR-created space would not be enough to accommodate Marner’s deal, which could be north of $11 million a season.

And the Leafs would be leaving money on the table because of where they were in relation to the cap when Horton was placed on LTIR.

Now, the Leafs do have other options. Zach Hyman and Travis Dermott are currently injured and could easily begin the year on LTIR. That would free up additional room to accommodate Marner’s contract. They weren’t in a completely desperate situation without having Clarkson on the roster.

But the addition of another big cap hit that can be placed on LTIR whenever they want gives them more options, increasing Pridham’s flexibility in terms of how (and when) he shifts these pieces around.

There is zero danger at this point they will leave cap space on the table. And they can handle a very big offer sheet (or contract decision) on Marner at any point between now and Dec. 1.

So that’s why they wanted the contract.

The other interesting ramification of acquiring Clarkson is the Leafs can finally make official some of the free-agent signings they agreed to in early July. Players like Nick Shore and Kenny Agostino aren’t yet technically Toronto property until their contracts are registered with the league, something that’s likely to go through in the coming days after a wait of several weeks.

Even Jason Spezza, whose signing was announced, hasn’t been listed on the roster on the team website as his deal wasn’t yet official.

The reason some of those contracts didn’t get “done done” was to give the Leafs flexibility. Before they acquired Clarkson, they had a little under $14 million in summer cap room, which would be enough to accommodate Marner’s deal in even the most outlandish offer-sheet scenario.

If all of their free agents were locked in prior to acquiring Clarkson, however, the Leafs would have likely had to make a move to fit a very big Marner deal.

If that involved an offer sheet dropping unexpectedly, it could mean the Leafs no longer controlled the timing of the decision on the when part of LTIR, which as we stated above, can be very important.

Now that they have Clarkson, the Leafs have enough LTIR-eligible contracts that they control their destiny to a far greater extent. They can enter LTIR tomorrow, or at a later point in the offseason, or early in the year, depending on what happens with Marner.


Tl:Dr version, basically the closer cap your team is to the cap, the more benefit of cap relief. Clarkson put them 2mil over, and they know he's pretty much donezos and won't be in NHL and don't have to worry of him coming back later, and gives them more flexibility

This post was edited by Secksii on Jul 24 2019 06:49pm

Toronto really needs to win now lol... Assuming marner gets 11+ they have 33.6m+ tied up in matthews tavares and marner, throw in nylanders 6.96m thats 40m+ (if marner goes over 11) tied up in 4 players... Nearly 50% of the cap (as of now)... That is not a recipe for success, and if it doesnt work out for them within the next couple years, they are going to have a really hard time, especially if we end up with a cap decrease of any kind (unlikely but not impossible)

barrie is on a cap retained deal only making 2.7 and ufa after this season
a lot of their D are ufas next season too which can be seriously bad they free up like 12m and have 1 guy under contract in reilly
they have like 12m to sign 5 D 3 of which have to be top 4

their d situation is like oh boy i cant wait til next years off season to see what the fuck he does with that somebody up front has to get traded for a D or cap space

This post was edited by dragoneth on Jul 24 2019 07:43pm