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Jan 17 2020 01:52am
Quote (LuLer @ Jan 16 2020 08:37pm)
It shouldn't be up to the hitter to protect the puck carrier as long as the hit isn't dirty. Keep your head up. Too many clueless players skating in historically dangerous areas either staring down at the puck or admiring their passes.

Or just outlaw body checks. Anyone who argues that body checks are supposed to be for separating the player from the puck doesn't watch hockey because 95% of hits are done to do damage. Body position + stick-checking is the more logical method of taking the puck away.



Kassian wasn’t the puck carrier , he lost control and was engaged in a battle for a loose puck.
Hits when players are vulnerable ( tied up with another player ) have been being phased out.
And absolutely the league is asking players to take some responsibility for the vulnerability of the person they are checking , this has been a thing for -5 years since the concussion issue got big.
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Kassian wasn’t the puck carrier , he lost control and was engaged in a battle for a loose puck.
Hits when players are vulnerable ( tied up with another player ) have been being phased out.
And absolutely the league is asking players to take some responsibility for the vulnerability of the person they are checking , this has been a thing for -5 years since the concussion issue got big.


Yep, now parros is telling everyone fuck it! Yolo as long as it's legal!
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Jan 17 2020 03:31am
Quote (LuLer @ Jan 16 2020 10:37pm)
It shouldn't be up to the hitter to protect the puck carrier as long as the hit isn't dirty. Keep your head up. Too many clueless players skating in historically dangerous areas either staring down at the puck or admiring their passes.

Or just outlaw body checks. Anyone who argues that body checks are supposed to be for separating the player from the puck doesn't watch hockey because 95% of hits are done to do damage. Body position + stick-checking is the more logical method of taking the puck away.



You had me until “outlaw body checks”
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Jan 17 2020 04:50am
Quote (remco6 @ Jan 16 2020 11:52pm)
Kassian wasn’t the puck carrier , he lost control and was engaged in a battle for a loose puck.
Hits when players are vulnerable ( tied up with another player ) have been being phased out.
And absolutely the league is asking players to take some responsibility for the vulnerability of the person they are checking , this has been a thing for -5 years since the concussion issue got big.


Are you talking about the last hit that made Kassian snap? Because if so, he was defintely the puck carrier or at least engaged with the puck enough where it wasn't interference at all (puck in his skates, trying to control it on his back-hand).

Whether he was engaged with another player is irrelevant, that's not a rule. Having your head down coming around the back of the net has been a big no-no forever in hockey.

Yes, a player can be humane and decide he doesn't need to end a player's career even if he has a chance to do it on a legal hit, but that's not even close the situation here. Tkachuk's hit was body-to-body, no charging and no head targeting.

But this is the slippery-slope we've gone down. The more responsibility you put on the hitter, the more reckless puck carriers are getting with their positioning and awareness. Players are skating with their head down and admiring their passes more than ever because they're now being taught (or conditioned) that if you put yourself in a vulnerable position, you are to be protected when really they should be protecting themselves.

It should be a part of the game to be able to play it well and protect yourself / avoid being drilled simultaneously; it's a skill/talent. And if you do get hit it should be like "nice one, you got me, you won't get me next time" instead of "wah wah how dare you legally body check me wah wah".

Quote (PhewPhew @ Jan 17 2020 01:31am)
You had me until “outlaw body checks”


Well it's the only logical solution because this grey area of people getting upset over legal checks is asinine.

This post was edited by LuLer on Jan 17 2020 04:52am
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I'm all for legal hits, predatory or not. I just want nhl to be consistent, which is like asking the impossible. I can just see virtanen making a legal hit on McDavid or some other skrub, and the nhl will find excuses to say shit otherwise. Especially if McDavid gets injured from a predatory but legal hit, my bet is virtanen would be suspended :rofl: if they want it in the game, just fucking say so, and fucking stick with it. Since parros said it, let's see if he backs it up by being consistent.

I want Kassian to start making predatory clean hits and demolish some Flames and vice versa with Tkachuk. But Parros be like, I told yall to behave, u getting fine/suspension hurrr durrr. If he let's them do what he said is allowed, then that's good message and will allow Reaves, Martin, and those guys go hard on star players without worry like nowadays.

This post was edited by Secksii on Jan 17 2020 05:48am
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Quote (Secksii @ Jan 17 2020 01:36am)
Yep, now parros is telling everyone fuck it! Yolo as long as it's legal!



Agree 100% , there’s just no consistency with league discipline. This is a total 180 from where they say they where going and a terrible precedent. Players in the league have no idea what a penalty is cause shit gets let’s go one a dozen time’s then the smallest thing gets called cause reasons.
The only thing consist is every team deals with it , on a micro level it’s definitely affecting game out comes. On a macro level in theory it doesn’t cause every one is subject the random wheel of what get called today.

This whole thing is 99% on refing that let a game get outta control.

Quote (LuLer @ Jan 17 2020 03:50am)
Are you talking about the last hit that made Kassian snap? Because if so, he was defintely the puck carrier or at least engaged with the puck enough where it wasn't interference at all (puck in his skates, trying to control it on his back-hand).

Whether he was engaged with another player is irrelevant, that's not a rule. Having your head down coming around the back of the net has been a big no-no forever in hockey.

Yes, a player can be humane and decide he doesn't need to end a player's career even if he has a chance to do it on a legal hit, but that's not even close the situation here. Tkachuk's hit was body-to-body, no charging and no head targeting.

But this is the slippery-slope we've gone down. The more responsibility you put on the hitter, the more reckless puck carriers are getting with their positioning and awareness. Players are skating with their head down and admiring their passes more than ever because they're now being taught (or conditioned) that if you put yourself in a vulnerable position, you are to be protected when really they should be protecting themselves.

It should be a part of the game to be able to play it well and protect yourself / avoid being drilled simultaneously; it's a skill/talent. And if you do get hit it should be like "nice one, you got me, you won't get me next time" instead of "wah wah how dare you legally body check me’ wah".



Well it's the only logical solution because this grey area of people getting upset over legal checks is asinine.



No I’m talking about the shoulder to the neck after Kassian was attempting a wrap around. I’ve stated numerous times I have no problem with the hit before the fight. I also believe if you wanna target a guy like Kassian, who should be the target instead of stars, you need to be ready to answer the bell.
I have no problem with that hit, and I have no problem with a guy wanting to drop the gloves after the hit, I have a problem with a guy passing check that his ass can’t cover.
Any player could have laid , or could be subject to the 3 hits Tkachuk did on any given night. If you choose to make those hits you drop the gloves and it’s all over and forgotten.

This post was edited by remco6 on Jan 17 2020 08:16am
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Jan 17 2020 08:53am
Nhl just need to apply their rules. And start.punishing dirty hits seriously. Getting 2-5 games for injuring your opponent on purpose is not enough to make the players stop. suspend them.until the injured player comes back to play.

Im tired of seeing knees on knees hit unpunished, elbows to the unpunished and all this shit. Parros saying that those kind of hits are legal.will just make things worse.thinking already about wilson in the playoffs injuring players with that kind of hits
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Jan 17 2020 10:15am
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I also believe if you wanna target a guy like Kassian, who should be the target instead of stars, you need to be ready to answer the bell.
I have no problem with that hit, and I have no problem with a guy wanting to drop the gloves after the hit, I have a problem with a guy passing check that his ass can’t cover.
Any player could have laid , or could be subject to the 3 hits Tkachuk did on any given night. If you choose to make those hits you drop the gloves and it’s all over and forgotten.


But what was the result of getting under that hothead's skin? The game winner, by design, set up by Tkachuk who played him like a fiddle.

The Oilers fanbase and media trying to play this is as some kind of moral win is so stupid. Take the loss. Stay wise to the mind games next game and come to play. And putting two of the DIRTIEST players of the last decade like Neal and Kassian on a soap box as some kind of 'defenders of clean hockey' is just so absurd, what a total lack of self-awareness.

Just because the refs might have missed a charging or roughing call on the first hit doesn't mean it then merits a suspension after the game. Parros made the right call in every way, including with his suspension of Lucic the other week, for the same infraction.
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