Guys not cut like a roid user is. He's got meat. And tons of muscle underneath. He eats dinner with us at night. Then goes to gym. Eats dinner again. Goes and showers. And eats a third dinner after.
Mind you I havn't asked him if he's used.

Ahh , thats possible then. By the way you described it sounded like he was like 12% bf or something

Preworktout? I should get it ?
Just crushed first workout in long time today.
Feeling fresh.

Just slam black coffee

Preworkout have tons of chemicals in them that you don't really need to expose yourself too.
Have a caffeine pill if you want a buzz or jolt, or just have a snack or a light run before hand to get the juices flowing

have coffee

This post was edited by dirTyMan on Jul 22 2015 10:55pm

I agree with this. I've only ever had preworkout twice in my life and most times the 'side' effects were way worse than any added energy it gave me. One type (called No Explode) gave me a terrible head ache and I felt super lucid the entire time I was at the gym. The other type basically didnt do anything for energy and made me feel sick to my stomach.

Eating an apple/banana or some 'simple' carbs + a coffee before working out gives me way more energy.

Eating an apple or simple carbs won't do anything because the carbs aren't absorbed by your body yet. Meal timing is pretty irrelevant.

Coffee though will help.

I disagree and I think it's a pretty ludicrous statement that you're making. I notice a difference in energy levels 15-30 minutes after eating something with high amounts of sugar in it.

I dont get how you think meal timing is irrelevant in this specific situation. Meal timing is extremely relevant in terms of energy at certain periods of the day.

You can disagree, but science isn't wrong. Chances are your body hasn't even absorbed the carbs by the time you workout so you're just experiencing a placebo.

I train fasted and experience no difference in energy levels. The only time you're going to notice a real difference is basically when you carb load , but not just 1 apple before a workout.