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May 25 2018 11:17am
Quote (Subzer0isGG @ May 25 2018 09:55am)
This talking point about nra and politicians get money and don’t change laws is tiring. Want to know what kills more people in the USA per year?

33000 American civilians died from gun violence in 2017. This sounds like a lot but it really isn’t. 2/3 of those people were committing suicide and they would have even without guns. Guns are just quicker and easier. A couple hundred of the gun deaths were hunting accidents or misfires in general and only 500 was from the mass shootings everyone is so scared of. Car crashed killed 40000 in 2016 and millions more are injured. 64000 people died from substance abuse, 480,000 die from smoking every year and 699,202 people are killed before they are even born. Nearly 600000 people die from being obese.

So this is why politicians get to decide the laws and they don’t push any through based solely off emotions.


Classic "What About Ism"

Just because people are dying in other ways doesnt mean gun control shouldn't be addressed and it certainly isnt an argument against gun control. Children are dying going to school, people are dying going to concerts or clubs.... No matter how many people die in Vehicle crashes a year it doesnt change the fact that lives are being lost due to unnecessary gun violence. The rate of mass shootings in the US has been on the increase, not decrease, which is exactly why they need to implement more controls. They also have the highest rate of homicide by firearm of any developed nation. Neither of these things are good signs for their current laws and exactly why they need to be addressed.

There have been 25 mass shootings (4+ people injured/killed) in the US in 2018. In May. Just because people arent being killed doesnt make it any less violent or horrific to be apart of.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting





Quote (KoJ @ May 25 2018 09:58am)
the nra isnt exactly the issue here, but they arnt helping also.

there is obviously a problem, what do you do to fix it? you arnt taking away all guns, that is just a fact, it wont happen, people wont let it. background checks, great awesome. ive been through plenty of them. but unless there is a history of an issue, nothing is going to come up, so thats not exactly effective. gun owners need to start being more responsible, my shit is locked up, and unless you have a cutting torch and a lot of time, youre not getting them.

i think prevention at school is much easier at a school than in the general public for sure.

this is a people issue, and their tool of choice is a gun, its easy and effective.


The NRA is preventing any type of gun control by lobbying against any bill that is gun control related. I think the first step is improved training and restrictions on being able to own a firearm. A law like that would never pass however.

I completely agree that people are also an issue and mental health needs to be addressed. But after every mass shooting that's what gets said, nothing gets done, onto the next one.

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May 25 2018 11:29am
Quote (KoJ @ May 25 2018 01:09pm)
thats fuckin dumb


Quote (Pens @ May 25 2018 01:17pm)
the fuck is this...


How about this fun fact....

Toronto, in the 1970's there was a gay parade that took a terrible turn for the worst, resulting in police brutality and unlawful enforcement upon the participants..

Once again in the midst of the world wide spread of police hatred through news/ social media, in 2017 the most inclusive parade(LGBT) known to man decided to completely exclude the police for the acts during the 1970's.

While the LGBT community was mostly influenced by BLM aggressively interrupting the parade and initially demanding the exclusion... They are still contributors to whats wrong with this war on policing..

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May 25 2018 11:36am
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The NRA is preventing any type of gun control by lobbying against any bill that is gun control related. I think the first step is improved training and restrictions on being able to own a firearm. A law like that would never pass however.

I completely agree that people are also an issue and mental health needs to be addressed. But after every mass shooting that's what gets said, nothing gets done, onto the next one.


yeah i have a huge issue with lobbying in general. the way the gov works is fucked.

id also agree that there should be improved and increased, and continual training/restrictions. if you cant get to a class/test every 6 months, you dont need to own a gun

theres no simple solution to the mental health thing. i dont know that it is a large batch deal that you can employ to the masses. and just going oh i think that person needs some mental health checks isnt going to work. how do you do it without singling people out which could potentially backfire.
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May 25 2018 11:45am
Quote (KoJ @ May 25 2018 10:36am)
yeah i have a huge issue with lobbying in general. the way the gov works is fucked.

id also agree that there should be improved and increased, and continual training/restrictions. if you cant get to a class/test every 6 months, you dont need to own a gun

theres no simple solution to the mental health thing. i dont know that it is a large batch deal that you can employ to the masses. and just going oh i think that person needs some mental health checks isnt going to work. how do you do it without singling people out which could potentially backfire.


Yeah it's a really difficult issue and I don't have a great solution. But I do really like the idea that you proposed, it's a great way start to adding some control and training for people who use firearms. I'd also like to see them reduce the amount of "tactical" gear you are allowed, such as extended mags, suppressors, etc.

Mental Health I think will improve as we become more aware of people afflicted by it and treatment options for them. Society as a whole has become a lot more aware and accepting of people who suffer from mental illness. That being said I think we are still a ways away from being able to diagnose and treat all mental illness in a timely manner. Often times mental illness isnt found until someone commits a major crime.

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May 25 2018 12:01pm
You should be criminally liable for the actions of your weapon and there should be strict laws about Storage

You dont lock your gun up and your kid shoots up his school, you should get criminal negligence resulting in manslaughter

Im not calling for taking away all guns, i have no problem with range shooting or hunting. But the laws need to make sense, cant have loaded weapons sitting in top drawers

Certain types of weapons should probably be range only snd have to be dtorwd by the gun range at the gun range

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May 25 2018 12:07pm
Fun fact. in the uk police don't carry guns
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May 25 2018 12:11pm
Quote (Rzi @ May 25 2018 11:07am)
Fun fact. in the uk police don't carry guns


fun fact. uk police are fags


Quote (Nearin @ May 25 2018 11:01am)
You should be criminally liable for the actions of your weapon and there should be strict laws about Storage

You dont lock your gun up and your kid shoots up his school, you should get criminal negligence resulting in manslaughter




i really have zero issue with that personally. obviously theft would exclude that given that you had it secured.
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May 25 2018 12:28pm
Quote (Nearin @ May 25 2018 12:01pm)
You should be criminally liable for the actions of your weapon and there should be strict laws about Storage

You dont lock your gun up and your kid shoots up his school, you should get criminal negligence resulting in manslaughter

Im not calling for taking away all guns, i have no problem with range shooting or hunting. But the laws need to make sense, cant have loaded weapons sitting in top drawers

Certain types of weapons should probably be range only snd have to be dtorwd by the gun range at the gun range

Etc



Agree 100%. Id like to see the USA adopt our style gun laws. See if that changes anything in regards to shootings. Would definitely stifle the high school shootings. But the Vegas massacre ones would still happen.
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May 25 2018 12:32pm
Quote (GSG @ May 25 2018 11:17am)
Classic "What About Ism"

Just because people are dying in other ways doesnt mean gun control shouldn't be addressed and it certainly isnt an argument against gun control. Children are dying going to school, people are dying going to concerts or clubs.... No matter how many people die in Vehicle crashes a year it doesnt change the fact that lives are being lost due to unnecessary gun violence. The rate of mass shootings in the US has been on the increase, not decrease, which is exactly why they need to implement more controls. They also have the highest rate of homicide by firearm of any developed nation. Neither of these things are good signs for their current laws and exactly why they need to be addressed.

There have been 25 mass shootings (4+ people injured/killed) in the US in 2018. In May. Just because people arent being killed doesnt make it any less violent or horrific to be apart of.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting







The NRA is preventing any type of gun control by lobbying against any bill that is gun control related. I think the first step is improved training and restrictions on being able to own a firearm. A law like that would never pass however.

I completely agree that people are also an issue and mental health needs to be addressed. But after every mass shooting that's what gets said, nothing gets done, onto the next one.



All the need to do is secure the damn schools man. The same way court offices are or any DNC or GOP meetings are. Secure school = no shootings. 500 ppl died last year from these shootings. That is an insignificant number in the bigger picture. Not one to warrant an amendment to the 2nd.
No ones giving up their guns. Make it so they have to be locked up separate from ammo just like we do here north of the border. It will help.
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