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May 30 2012 09:52am
Quote (partank @ 30 May 2012 09:49)
im saying both have exact same dps, one bow has ias the other does not
what would you rather have

both bows display exact same dps.


In that case it depends, if you want more attacks per second then the 1.28 would be better, people would want that for +life per attack modifiers.

In the case of the 1.1 you would get a higher damage with slower attack speed, better for critical hit builds.

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May 30 2012 09:54am
In order to get that same dps without the ias you would need this for base damage...

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May 30 2012 09:55am
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In that case it depends,  if you want more attacks per second then the 1.28 would be better,  people would want that for +life per attack modifiers.

In the case of the 1.1 you would get a higher damage with slower attack speed,  better for critical hit builds.

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/631/asdxd.jpg


so youre saying slower attack speed gives you better critical hits? never heard that
idk if you even understand what im saying either. two bows. exact same dps. only thing that differs is one has ias, the other does not.
could be more arcane damage or dmg% on the non ias bow jeez...

Quote (jagrmeister @ May 30 2012 11:50am)
i may never spend a single fg on an item i dont really get why anybody would, drops in the game are so common,and  like cratic said will only get more common

i have a solid 53 wizard going right now, 200k game gold wouldnt think twice about buying an item on this site, especially
then again i also have 4 friends lvl 60 who have been farming items for me


same reason people buy shakos at the very start of every ladder

This post was edited by partank on May 30 2012 09:56am
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May 30 2012 10:08am
Quote (partank @ 30 May 2012 09:55)
so youre saying slower attack speed gives you better critical hits? never heard that
idk if you even understand what im saying either. two bows. exact same dps. only thing that differs is one has ias, the other does not.
could be more arcane damage or dmg% on the non ias bow jeez...



same reason people buy shakos at the very start of every ladder


You're not understanding.

In order for a slower bow to have the same dps it needs a higher damage range. When you crit with a higher damage range you are doing more damage per hit + crit increases that damage further.

The trade off is that you hit less often.


Bow with 1528 dps @ 1.28 attacks per second does only 926-1469 damage per hit. When that crits, say for 2x damage its 1852-2938.
I say this bow is better for +life per attack mods because for every 100 seconds you attack you get 128 attacks. (1.28aps x 100s) Thus if you have gear that gives you life when you hit, you are hitting more and would get more life than a bow that hits only 110 attacks in the same time.

Bow with 1529 dps @1.1 attacks per second does 1080-1700 (example) damage per hit. When that crits for 2x damage its 2160-3400 damage, hence why the slower bow is better for crit builds.

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May 30 2012 10:11am
Quote (Bruin @ May 30 2012 12:08pm)
You're not understanding.

In order for a slower bow to have the same dps it needs a higher damage range.  When you crit with a higher damage range you are doing more damage per hit + crit increases that damage further.

The trade off is that you hit less often. 


Bow with 1528 dps @ 1.28 attacks per second does only 926-1469 damage per hit.  When that crits,  say for 2x damage its 1852-2938.
I say this bow is better for +life per attack mods because for every 100 seconds you attack you get 128 attacks.  (1.28aps x 100s)  Thus if you have gear that gives you life when you hit,  you are hitting more and would get more life than a bow that hits only 110 attacks in the same time.

Bow with 1529 dps @1.1 attacks per second does 1080-1700 (example) damage per hit.  When that crits for 2x damage its 2160-3400 damage,  hence why the slower bow is better for crit builds.


didnt know crits worked like that. thought it just based off dps
thanks
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May 30 2012 10:26am
Quote (partank @ 30 May 2012 10:11)
didnt know crits worked like that. thought it just based off dps
thanks


dps is a virtual number it's not the actual damage of the weapon, it's what the game calculates as the probable damage you'll do every second.

A rough way to determine the dps is like this: Weapon damage is 926-1469 aps is 1.28. So you find the mean damage of the weapon; (1469+926)/2 = 1197.5 x 1.28 = 1532, which would be the dps.

The reason it's different by a couple number is because the displayed aps is rounded. 1.1 +16% ias is actually 1.276, when you do the math properly you get (1469+926)/2 (1.276) =1528.

Long story short, when people get picky building their characters they may opt to get a slower weapon with the same dps because each hit will do more damage. If your ability is limited in how often it attacks then attack speed may not likely play any role at all and so going for a slower weapon would actually end up doing more damage than what is displayed.
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May 30 2012 10:35am
Someone here sell me an effing sword lol
Any 1h barb weap

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May 30 2012 10:42am
so this bow i found yesterday i put up in the ah. currently at 1million

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May 30 2012 10:44am
Quote (Human_Eraser @ May 30 2012 12:42pm)
so this bow i found yesterday i put up in the ah. currently at 1million

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz206/jbell1985/vindicatorspursuit.png


wtf gimme
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May 30 2012 11:09am
Quote (Human_Eraser @ 30 May 2012 10:42)
so this bow i found yesterday i put up in the ah. currently at 1million

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz206/jbell1985/vindicatorspursuit.png


Dat stats

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