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Mar 20 2018 02:32pm
Quote (partank @ Mar 20 2018 04:05pm)
ill have to check the closing costs but i believe it was around 10K in total possibly a little more, some may not apply since i had land transfer tax and what not for a house, not sure how different it is for a condo. i could probably check later in my files if you want the exact number

i bought back in 2016 just before the housing market exploded so right now the tenants pay for the mortgage plus a little more, and my property value continues to increase. thats the reason why i kept it when i moved to a different house.
not much time at all. i was there once in january to change the furnace filter, once in feb to see issues with a fridge and thats it since december 1st. it is good to check in though just to see theyre not doing something that they shouldnt be.


ya we do have a land transfer tax as well. i have factored that + Regular property taxes in.

I mean i wish i had a place the would cover the mortgage and allin expenses as it stands rent is a little more than mortgage but then insurance + property taxes + Maintenance fees push it into a net loss. But as i say, based on the math i've done it looks like it may still make sense as long as the monthly net loss is under a certain threshold.

i'm still searching for the right buy but i have everything lined up now to pull the trigger if i see it.
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Mar 20 2018 02:35pm
Quote (Nearin @ Mar 20 2018 12:57pm)

I'm also concerned about hidden closing costs. I've thought about the land transfer, and some time with no occupancy, i dont need mortgage insurance as we are going to pay down 20%+ but how much did you pay in legal fees(plz daddy give free) and other closing costs?

I know we are in different markets (except partank and even then a little) but generally have you found being a landlord to be more fiscally rewarding than other investment avenues? How much time does property management activity actually take up once you have a good well vetted tenant?


I dont recall many hidden closing costs, it was pretty well laid out for me by my Realtor and the only thing I recall paying after was the lawyer fees.

As for the investment itself, I'd say it's well worth it. Definitely shown the most growth out of anything else I've invested in. Make sure your accountant is up to snuff on rental properties because there are a lot of things you can write off that I wasnt aware of. Any new work put into the house can be a write off, part of your interest off your mortgage can be wrote off, etc.

Personally I try to go by my house once a month, mainly to make sure that everything is still working okay and that the house is still in good shape. I'm typically there less than 30 minutes, so total time a year for me would be like ~10 hours.
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Mar 20 2018 02:35pm
Quote (Nearin @ Mar 20 2018 03:32pm)
ya we do have a land transfer tax as well. i have factored that + Regular property taxes in.

I mean i wish i had a place the would cover the mortgage and allin expenses as it stands rent is a little more than mortgage but then insurance + property taxes + Maintenance fees push it into a net loss. But as i say, based on the math i've done it looks like it may still make sense as long as the monthly net loss is under a certain threshold.

i'm still searching for the right buy but i have everything lined up now to pull the trigger if i see it.


good luck !

it's not for short term profit but it certainly is worth it long term. gratz on the commitment, I am way too lazy to care for tenants. have enough to do with my own house/family
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Mar 20 2018 02:38pm
It would depend on your situation, for example in my case:
i bought my apartment for 330k and let's say i sold it for 550k.
so from the (220k x 50%) = 110k i'll be taxed 40.7% (my marginal tax rate), so byebye $44,770.
it would be 175k profit give or take after fees.

however if i decide to just rent it out for lyfe, assuming my rent charge won't change @ 1650/mo, and strata fees slightly increasing every year (220+) so give or take 1450/mo
i'll have to rent it close to 10+ yrs to make it worth it. There's pros and cons like housing prices skyrocketing further more or crashing and ur place only gets older etc.
this only applies if ur renting place isn't ur primary residence. So if u have a large house, and just renting out the basement, u wouldnt be taxed by capital gain
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Mar 20 2018 02:41pm
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I dont recall many hidden closing costs, it was pretty well laid out for me by my Realtor and the only thing I recall paying after was the lawyer fees.

As for the investment itself, I'd say it's well worth it. Definitely shown the most growth out of anything else I've invested in. Make sure your accountant is up to snuff on rental properties because there are a lot of things you can write off that I wasnt aware of. Any new work put into the house can be a write off, part of your interest off your mortgage can be wrote off, etc.

Personally I try to go by my house once a month, mainly to make sure that everything is still working okay and that the house is still in good shape. I'm typically there less than 30 minutes, so total time a year for me would be like ~10 hours.


Ya so far i've found that i will be able to writeoff,
Improvements,
Interest portion of mortgage
insurance
Condo fees
Property tax
you can write off your account and legal fees related to ongoing rental activities (not closing costs though)

still gonna be a tax burden but it helps to reduce it a fair bit.

We are being pretty picky about location because i think there is lots of overvalued property in the city but there are still some gems.

Good to hear the time investment is pretty minimal, we though about montreal because i think their housing market will probably be going off soon, but i didnt want to manage something that far away. even with a couple of handyman friends in MTL.
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Mar 20 2018 02:44pm
Quote (Secksii @ Mar 20 2018 04:38pm)
It would depend on your situation, for example in my case:
i bought my apartment for 330k and let's say i sold it for 550k.
so from the (220k x 50%) = 110k i'll be taxed 40.7% (my marginal tax rate), so byebye $44,770.
it would be 175k profit give or take after fees.

however if i decide to just rent it out for lyfe, assuming my rent charge won't change @ 1650/mo, and strata fees slightly increasing every year (220+) so give or take 1450/mo
i'll have to rent it close to 10+ yrs to make it worth it. There's pros and cons like housing prices skyrocketing further more or crashing and ur place only gets older etc.
this only applies if ur renting place isn't ur primary residence. So if u have a large house, and just renting out the basement, u wouldnt be taxed by capital gain


True, i did factor cap gains, but i can only avoid cap gains tax through TFSA, so it's an additional cost only to the ceiling of our respective TFSA's i think we have a total of about 30-35k more contribution room.

Ultimately i've always wanted to use my capital to generate additional rev streams i thought about buying a house and renting the basement but we live downtown right now and love it, dont want to move until we have kids. downtown house with enough space to rent units is out of budget.
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Mar 20 2018 02:51pm
For 600-700k here you can get a forever home.
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Mar 20 2018 02:53pm
Quote (Nearin @ 20 Mar 2018 13:25)
2 good jobs and alot of cash! to buy a 1 bedroom condo aahaha we are approved for about 700k which is more than we are probably comfortable spending. looking at about 600k or less, and as i say it would be for rental.

Based on my projections rent wouldn't quite cover all-in costs, but it would be close enough that the equity gain on the mortgage would be a pretty nice return.


As long as you have a competent accountant and a lawyer in your back pocket your interests should be covered.

That's brutal that a house costing you that much $ can't net you an income, too bad you weren't interested in shopping out of province as I'm sure a home in Alberta would return an income and the initial commitment wouldn't be as steep.

The other fellas have it right with multiple tenants in one dwelling though, easiest way to boost rental income.

The return is worth the time

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Mar 20 2018 02:53pm
Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Mar 20 2018 03:51pm)
For 600-700k here you can get a forever home.


same thing on the south shore of MTL , really nice houses at that price
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Mar 20 2018 02:54pm
Quote (Subzer0isGG @ Mar 20 2018 03:51pm)
For 600-700k here you can get a forever home.


works if you wanna go 1.5-2 hours north of toronto
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